Terrible going intros :( Help for my nakie boy?

[TheRatQueen]

I don't understand why it's so violent instantly. We just tried again and he bit him super deep on the top of his. It's not bleeding but I can literally see the teeth indents.

This is frustrating.

 

[TheRatQueen]

Ugh...now the scratches are coming up. He got a scratch by his eye and his arm /armpit area is destroyed. I'm not sure if these intros are going to work at all.

 

[hopefloats]

He may need a neuter....I seen that with one rat....templeton...that boy was an utter terror to dopey. If it is just because of his presence he needs his bad beads removed. Was it the mink boy that bit or smeagol?


I take that back fred and sebastian would run up bite my babies over and over...now sebastian is with those same boys but he is neutered....he is not biting anymore he lays on his side and squeaks. I can say you have to be careful with these types of biter boys. Dopey grew fearful of templeton and that lasted his whole life lol..

Personally I would switch cages for a few days see if the mink calms down. I generally do the swaps in the morning and before bed.

 

[hopefloats]

Ugh...now the scratches are coming up. He got a scratch by his eye and his arm /armpit area is destroyed. I'm not sure if these intros are going to work at all.

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It will but the biter needs a neuter. My boys are totally difference once that is done.

 

[TheRatQueen]

The mink did the biting. Smeagol ran after we separated them. They were squeaking like hell.

 

[Fidget]

I know people like the bathtub method, and I don't argue with it. But that 'nothing but each other to concentrate on' is the complete opposite of 'overwhelming their senses' so other kids aren't their main focus like I prefer. This has worked better for me, but others find the opposite. I would only say if one doesn't work try another. There is no definitive right or wrong with ratties, just right or wrong for those particular ratties. Trial & error. But it does kill you to see a baby hurt, I know. Try different things, if nothing works then neutering the most violent kid is an option as has been said. If nothing works maybe Smeagol would be better with a spayed female or an old boy or a very mellow one...
Good luck. and mostly kisses to Smeagol, there's only so much he should have to suffer before being rescued from a bad situation, I hope he's ok, did you clean his wounds with saline solution? ...watch for abscesses.

 

[hopefloats]

I would stop and do th switches...my hairless have no scratches during these intros because the mean rats are gone.


Can you have him neutered?

 

[TheRatQueen]

How long do you do the swaps for?

We did the tub thing. That didn't work.

And I really don't want to bring the new boys back to the shelter so somehow this has to work. Wish they had a rat muzzle!

After he calms down I will clean them out. He doesn't want me fussing with him right now at all.

 

[hopefloats]

This is part of having males...he may need a neuter...do the cage swaps for a few days and do your intros on a table top. He don't agree with the smell of a intruder.. personally I would nueter and then try.

I wouldn't take them back since they have been through that...try to find a home rather than a shelter.

 

[Fidget]

hopefloats - you've suggested 3 times now that Smeagol should have a neuter. I don't see the reason for that at all as he seems to be the victim. Of course his hormones could be making him instigate things with others, but if TheRatQueen stated reasons to think that he's doing that I've missed them. I wouldn't want her to even consider a neuter on a passive boy. Enlighten me if I'm missing something.
How is he TheRatQueen? I don't know how much experience you have so forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, but please clean his injuries with saline solution (you can make it at home) because abscesses can be so much worse that the initial injury. I send kisses to him, I too was bullied for being shy. You'll find him a bud that makes his life happy, I'm sure.

 

[jorats]

I'm pretty sure hopefloats means the bully boy should get a neuter, not Smeagol.

But, TheRatQueen, Fidget's idea of putting them in a setting of many obstacles, "clean" toys, textures, fabric and yummy food for the intro might be worth a try.
Minky boy is going after Smeagol but clearly is not attacking to attack because you would see it on Smeagol big time. Scratches and cuts are from mild fighting. Also, the area of the scratches are innocent. If you saw Minky boy (sorry can't remember his name) going for the stomach or testicles, then that means business, that's when all intros need to stop.
How is the bully with you? Does he nip you? How is he with his brother?

 

[TheRatQueen]

His name is Watson haha. Well he goes straight for Smeagols face now. you should see the huge bite he has on the top of his head.

Him and his brother do fight but it's the normal pinning type not the rolling round in a ball fighting that he does with Smeagol. With me he is only doing the taste-testing bites. Other than that he is still scared of me or just pees on me. Oddly enough he has never done the fear poop. Lol

 

[jorats]

Can you take a video?

 

[TheRatQueen]

In a few days I can. I am going to do the cage switching for a few days Nd try to gather stuff for a fort thingie for the next intro. And I think poor Smeagol needs a break to heal so nothing gets cut open again.

 

[hopefloats]

hopefloats - you've suggested 3 times now that Smeagol should have a neuter. I don't see the reason for that at all as he seems to be the victim. Of course his hormones could be making him instigate things with others, but if TheRatQueen stated reasons to think that he's doing that I've missed them. I wouldn't want her to even consider a neuter on a passive boy. Enlighten me if I'm missing something.
How is he TheRatQueen? I don't know how much experience you have so forgive me if I'm stating the obvious, but please clean his injuries with saline solution (you can make it at home) because abscesses can be so much worse that the initial injury. I send kisses to him, I too was bullied for being shy. You'll find him a bud that makes his life happy, I'm sure.

actually Fidget...I said the biter needs a neuter if it is going violent fast as she said it was. I asked if she could neuter him, and it went unanswered which is why i kept asking....... The one attacking him needs the neuter because most likely it wont change if he is doing that so soon in an intro... Generally if they attack with in the first few minutes the only help will be a neuter.. When you have a rat that is attacking in a scary place and within in a few minutes......It is bad.....I have been there with a few and 2 months of intros didnt change it.

After you have done a lot of male intros, as I have, you can see early when an intro wont be an easy one. Knowing that a neuter will stop any stress from her and from smeagol.

I will say it again, can you get the Mink boy neutered? Not smeagol.

 

[TheRatQueen]

Sorry I thought I answered. I just have to call my vet and see. I've never had one done. I know there is. Clinic nearby that does.

 

[hopefloats]

Sorry I thought I answered. I just have to call my vet and see. I've never had one done. I know there is. Clinic nearby that does.

The only reason I kept asking is because if you can get him done, then we wont have to be creative on your intro's. if not we can find other ways to try and make this work, I know Jo is good with the mean boys but in the end, neuter will save you a head ache

if you can get him done, I promise you wont be disappointed. My one boy was a screamer, nervous as all get out, now he just drops on his back and lets the boys groom him. It totally makes my day to see him do that because I know that what I did helped him. And even my mean boys do the same.

We can come up with different things but it will be a long road.

You dont have to read this LOL but so you know the stress it can cause you is unreal. I cried a lot :laugh4: Just look at like the first 14 pages LOL i think they were all from the same intro!

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Your watson sounds like my Templeton....

 

[TheRatQueen]

HAHA! I'm in the process of reading it. Yours seams a lot calmer than mine! They instantly start fighting at the sight of each other At least yours wait a few then kind of do the bite-pull move.

 

[hopefloats]

Yes they did... But it got to the point that as soon as dopey seen templeton, he would T-rex and scream LOL then templeton would run and bite. Fred and Sebastian though, they would fight with in minutes.

 

[TheRatQueen]

I'm cleaning their cages tonight so I am going to wait a day to get their scents fully back and do the cage switch for a week or so then go from there. I'm not sure if there is much hope since they fight so fast, but I want to try this before I go to the neuter. Just to rule it out. We can be really patient with intros, I had one that took 3 months, but I am just overly worried about Smeagol getting hurt with no hair so I'm extra on edge.