dspch911
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I don't know much about this, but is putting her in a sink or bowl of warm water an option to try and clean her up? Maybe if you can sit her in there for a few minutes some of the urine will come off
Oreo's Inguinal Tumor- Open and Infected?
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I'd be afraid of water getting in the surgical wound, it just sounds like something you shouldn't do...
A little update, I don't know how(maybe she yanked earlier and it just now popped), but some of the stitches are gone and it is open in the middle. It also smells bad now, so I'm guessing there is infection. She is currently drinking some ensure, and I'm leaving her alone, I wonder if she figured out a way to get to it with the cone on.
Should I dose her with baytril?
Update: I'm scared to take a picture because I fear that with fighting her and her squirming, more will pop apart.
Should I dose her with baytril?
Update: I'm scared to take a picture because I fear that with fighting her and her squirming, more will pop apart.
dspch911
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I don't think baytril will hurt, that is one of the antibiotics they started Clark on today after cleaning out his neuter site that is infected. Is she still on the pain meds?
EDIT: We also had to remove all liter from his cage so it doesn't get into the open hole, just something to think about it you use liter
She is on metacam.
No litter, only fleece and I spot clean daily to remove all the poops.
dspch911
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Is it possible she isn't the one that removed it? Could she have been over groomed by someone else?
She's separated from her cagemates.
I'm guessig she might have yanked on one earlier when I let herself groom her legs a big(I would immediately pull her away if she touched the incision), and it just now came off. It doesn't look too bad, but I don't know about the rest.
I got a picture. I had no idea how horrible it looks, you can see the pus but not the opening, like I said it isn't too large. I have no idea how this came up out of nowhere. You can also see the urine, despite the fact that I let her clean it a few hours ago and I've been cleaning it 2-3 times daily, as much as she will let me.
WARNING it's graphic
WARNING it's graphic
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jorats
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Start her on Baytril and definitely get her in to see the vet tomorrow. You will probably need to flush her to clean out the wound. Looks like it got infected. I had a boy who had his neuter incision get infected. With Baytril and lots of flushing he cleared up.
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When Ella got infected when i put my head within a few inches of her, you smelled death. It was horrible. You never want to soak a surgery site that only is good for enclosed things like abscesses and so on. Smell her incision if it smells bad it may be getting infected. Keep her bedding super clean and try to keep an eye on it. I had to take ella into the vets office and have them clean it. They picked the scabbing off of her and they also flushed it.
What should I flush it with, saline?
I will put her on baytril right now. She weights 260 grams, and my baytril is 15mg/ml. Which dosage should I use from this ratguide: http://ratguide.com/meds/antimicrobial_agents/enrofloxacin_baytril.php ?
I will put her on baytril right now. She weights 260 grams, and my baytril is 15mg/ml. Which dosage should I use from this ratguide: http://ratguide.com/meds/antimicrobial_agents/enrofloxacin_baytril.php ?
Sheldon
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Saline is perfect if you have some that is sterile. Otherwise boil some water with a sprinkle of salt (To help the pH) for 15 min. Let it cool to warm and use a syringe to gently flush it. It is definitely infected. I know rat people here do not condone the use of abx ointment but you have a cone on her...I would keep a light layer on there after you clean it and kill two birds with one stone since it will help with the stinging too (petroleum base). Make sure that it would be OFF her if you let her groom again, which I wouldn't do at this point anyway.
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I have a sterile solution I was using earlier for the ruptured tumor that was removed.
I will treat her with baytril and flush it with the saline, as for the ointment, do you mean like neosporin? I would be afraid that that would heal the surface but keep the infection inside, causing an abscess... What about honey to bring out the infection?
Double check on the dosing:
I used the 10mg/kg dose from the rat guide and got 0.17ml daily. Would that be once or twice a day? Is this correct?
Sheldon
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It's twice a day but I don't know on the volume. I mix my own so I am unfamiliar with standard concentrations.
I wouldn't be concerned about causing an abscess. What is more important is keeping swelling and infection away from the new urethra. If that swells to the point of occluding you will be in a tough spot indeed. You could try honey if you wish. Just put something on the site to keep it from spreading. Remember she will really want to eat it too.
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I wouldn't be concerned about causing an abscess. What is more important is keeping swelling and infection away from the new urethra. If that swells to the point of occluding you will be in a tough spot indeed. You could try honey if you wish. Just put something on the site to keep it from spreading. Remember she will really want to eat it too.
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I bet, but she has the cone, remember, so she won't be able to. I'm going to try to get to the vet tomorrow.
I'm waiting for someone to possibly check my dosage and then I will medicate her and flush it... :ambulance:
Sheldon
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What is the concentration of the med and her weight? I can calculate it for you.
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She is 260g and the concentration is 15mg/ml.
I'm just not sure which dosing to use, the ratguide says from 5mg/kg to 10mg/kg, but then they also said 20 mg/kg.....?
5 mg/kg to 10 mg/kg , PO , IM , q12hr 1 26 27 28; anywhere from 5 to 30 days (injectable form may be given orally). May be combined with doxycycline for treatment of mycoplasma. 26 27
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5 mg/kg to 20 mg/kg , PO , SQ , q24hr 26 27
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5 mg/lb, PO, BID (as recommended on RMCA Drug Chart) 4
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Baytril 2.27% =.20 mL/lb 14 to 30 days (as recommended on RMCA Drug Chart) 4
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2.5 mg/kg to 10 mg/kg , PO , q12hr 2
Sheldon
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That is the guide I use too.
Breaking it down...
260 grams is 0.26 kg
Dosing is 10mg/kg (this is what I use)
So 0.26kg X 10mg/kg = 2.6mg every 12 hrs
You have 15mg/mL concentration.
2.6mg divided by 15mg/mL = 0.173333333mL
So yes, that is the right amount.
Give 0.17mL every 12 hrs
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Breaking it down...
260 grams is 0.26 kg
Dosing is 10mg/kg (this is what I use)
So 0.26kg X 10mg/kg = 2.6mg every 12 hrs
You have 15mg/mL concentration.
2.6mg divided by 15mg/mL = 0.173333333mL
So yes, that is the right amount.
Give 0.17mL every 12 hrs
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sorry I can't help with dosages, but can you remove all bedding from her cage and put in clean paper towels instead?
& change them out frequently.
ETA if you don't have enough paper towels I'd change out the fleece at least once a day. Never let her sit on wet bedding.
I would put a buddy in with her, how long has she been alone?
rats rarely bother the surgery site on another rat
I almost think she'd be better off if you let her clean herself (take of the E collar) even if she messed with stitches
from what I can see, I wouldn't be surprised if the stitches are taken out and perhaps staples put in.
I don't think the vet can use glue now that there's infection.
I don't know that I disagree with the idea of soaking her bottom but I would def call a vet first before I did it.
You don't want to have the water force infection in deeper. I honestly don't know if that can happen, but in this case, I would only trust a vet to know how to handle it
& change them out frequently.
ETA if you don't have enough paper towels I'd change out the fleece at least once a day. Never let her sit on wet bedding.
I would put a buddy in with her, how long has she been alone?
rats rarely bother the surgery site on another rat
I almost think she'd be better off if you let her clean herself (take of the E collar) even if she messed with stitches
from what I can see, I wouldn't be surprised if the stitches are taken out and perhaps staples put in.
I don't think the vet can use glue now that there's infection.
I don't know that I disagree with the idea of soaking her bottom but I would def call a vet first before I did it.
You don't want to have the water force infection in deeper. I honestly don't know if that can happen, but in this case, I would only trust a vet to know how to handle it
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No bedding, only clean fleece. Just removed and replaced all the extra fleece pads she was sitting on. Would that be OK? She is PICAing on cardboard, or still was last night. I don't want to worry about her eating the paper towels, too.
I was thinking about taking off the collar too, but most of the stitches are still there. This hole is pretty small, right now the pus is gone(where did it go...?), but I can see dark inside so I almost feel like it leads into the internal abyss of her body. In that case wouldn't flushing it with anything, even saline, be super dangerous? I'm having visions of pouring salt water into the inside of her body.... :rant3:
Anyways, I don't want her to rip out the rest and make it worse...
As for buddies, I let them together every now and then, and one of them ignores her and the other once messed with her incision which prompted squeaking. I'll put them back together tomorrow, but I'd prefer not to tonight for the night, because I won't be able to watch them.
EDIT: I think I know how this happened. I just caught my little genius furiously slapping/scratching at the wound with her front paws. RATS WHY YOU DO THIS?! WHYYYYYY?!
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