Fall from desk - numerous concerns

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sade

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Last wednesday, one of my new rats, as yet nameless, fell from a desk. At first she seemed fine, but by that night she barely able to drag herself across her hammock to eat the errant food crumbs off the floor of the nearby cage platform. During the morning of the second day, she was mobile, but she was moving in strange, loopy motions, tilting her head back and forth, and such. By the end of the second day, she was once again weak. I got help from some of you on the Chat channel who recommended 1.2 mg of Ibuprofen two to four times a day. From then on, I would find her relatively mobile in the morning, yet still obviously in pain, and then weak by the end of the night. I finally managed to find an appropriate vet in the area on Monday. He performed a physical examination but couldn't find any obvious breaks or internal injuries. The vet gave her a shot of cortisone and recommended a higher dose of Ibuprofen after the cortisone wears off.

The cortisone returned her to her normal behavior... for about two days. She is once more either weak or unwilling to move. On Thursday I will start giving her 2.5 - 4.8 mg up to six times a day. Hopefully that will help. My main concern now is that she has not grown as large as her cagemates. She's clearly abnormally thin, and she seems to be having trouble eating solid foods. She lays flat on the cage bedding with both hands stretched out in front and tries to shovel food into her mouth without actually picking it up. Just now I put one of those compressed seed snack logs into the cage with hopes that she'll have less trouble eating it. I am less concerned over the precise health value of the food than the amount, at the moment. She needs to eat something.

A quick read of other ER threads suggests to me that there are viable soft/liquid food diets that some of you have come up with, which I'd like to hear about. I don't know exactly what the problem is, but I do know she won't improve unless she gets the energy she needs.

Any other general suggestions would be much appreciated. I've already provided access to food and water on the bottum level of the cage, as well as a second source of both food and water on the middle of three platform levels, ramp accessible. I'm planning on removing the platforms entirely with the hopes that she'll sleep with her cagemates (who normally sleep up top) if anyone here thinks it will help.

EDIT: She's store-bought and less than two months old.
 
Try baby food, pureed veggies, porridge if she's willing to chew a bit, or baby cereal as that's just a paste too. Try and feed her with a syringe if she's really really weak.
I think you can get some build-up paste specifically for weak small animals...Nutri-Cal or Nurish-Um . Hope your little one starts getting stronger... sending healing thoughts.
 
How old is your little love? is she in the 15-20 month range?

The hands pushed out in front of her sounds more like the PT pushback, and the fall was likely from the PT progressing. Cortisone is a steroid and it would reduce the swelling on the brain (causing these symptoms). Would your vet be willing to give you prednisone instead? PT or pituitary tumor is ultimately fatal, but you can sometimes get a reprieve with the steroids.

This is the PT pushback

PTPushback.jpg
 
That is a very interesting picture, as her posture is very similar. One thing I forgot to mention, however, is that she is less than two months old. Neither she nor her cagemates are fully grown. Could a fall have caused an injury to that part of her brain? If so, do you think such a thing might improve over time? What is that your rats are eating? It looks very manageable, not too wet or easy to get all over the place.

Also, thanks, Argent, for the suggestions. I'll look for some of those things today.
 
It's a mix of ensure and baby cereal, many of us give ensure to oldies/sickies/etc. to help them regain some strength. Plus they just love it! Scritches to your little girl :(
 
OK its a neuro symptom then. Ask your vet for prednisone and an antibiotic to take concurrently. she may have swelling in her brain from the fall, but the fact that the cortisone shot brought her 'back" is very encouraging.
 
At 2 months, I would guess that she hurt her back. It almost seems that she's in a great deal of pain but with cortisone and Ibuprofen she's able to overcome it, but then when that wears off, she's in pain again. I'd take her back to the vet and see if there's anything else that can be done.
 
Baby cereal mixed with soy infant formula is good for young, elderly or ill rats having difficulty eating.
Lab blocks dissolved in cool water to make mush is also good.
 
Thank you all for the suggestions.

Of immediate concern for me is the food. I was able to find baby cereal, but it came in powder form, not as a paste. I'm planning to mix it into ensure with the hope that the mix will be thick enough to serve on a plate. I'm hoping plentiful food and the higher dose of Ibuprofen will be enough to help her recover. I will endeavor to get prednisone from a vet. I'm assuming it is something I can giver her myself, otherwise it would only be another temporary solution. Thanks to all of these comments and suggestions, I have more specific things to ask him for and about, and I'll insist on having an x-ray taken.

Assuming for a moment that she will have similar problems to rats with PT, do rats with PT have any kind of trouble drinking from the typical gravity-fed, ball bearing water dispensers? For instance, do they prefer them to be as close to the ground as possible? Are they able to drink without to much trouble? I don't want her to go thirsty.
 
Well, I tried out cereal + ensure and she had no qualms about wolfing it down as quickly and messily as possible. The eagerness went beyond cute... it was more unnerving than anything. She was obviously beyond mere hunger. I also started her on the Ibuprofen again, at a 2.5mg dose. I said I was going to wait until Thursday, but, looking at her, seeing her truly terrible condition, I couldn't do that.

I'm glad to have gotten food into her. Hopefully she'll put some weight on with regular feedings.
 
Is she just shoving her mouth into the food and gobbling it up, as well as going from side to side? It can be a bit unnerving to see that :(

Is she eating like this?



Is she clubbing or knuckling her feet like this?

Callaclubbedpawsdec30.jpg
 
Her condition has markedly worsened. She is no longer able to lift any part of her body from the ground. Her only form of locomotion is to slowly flop back and forth with the hope that forward motion is achieved. No source of water is near enough to the cage floor for her to reach like this, and she refuses to eat anything. The Ibuprofen is ineffective.

I'm working on getting her to the vet as soon as possible.
 
Annnnnd, of course, today is that particular doctor's day off. And they can't find the records of my previous visit. God forbid people actually do their jobs- and I don't mean the doc, here, everyone deserves time off. But people have been keeping records for thousands and thousands of years. I feel like ancient mesoamericans keeping records of transactions with strings of beads were probably more effective than these vet techs and their computers. Something is wrong with this picture.

I'll be bringing her in tomorrow morning. I guess I'll just sit here for 24 hours 19 minutes and watch her suffer.
 
use a syringe and syringe ensure into her mouth for her to swallow...keep her hydrated and as comfortable as possible. She may pass on her own today from the progression.

I am so so sorry :cuddle:
 
sade said:
Her breathing is haggard and irregular. She no longer responds to external stimuli.

I didn't want it to end this way.

if its a neuro thing then she's likely already "gone" and doesn't feel what you are seeing. Just like PT they just slip away. Give her a kiss, and tell her you love her.

((hugs))
 

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