Sophie's tumour burst... RIP 04/08 - some necropsy results

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We are having amazing almost instantaneous results with fish oil in our boy greg, for whom Glucosamine was doing nothing for his HED, which had a ridiculous tremor to it. His whole hind end would just tremble. In less that two weeks, the tremble isn't visible, and when i rest a hand on him I really have to try to feel it. It isn't harmful regardless, you might try adding it if the degeneration is harming her mobility...
 
Thanks for the complements ladies :D

@MomRat - I actually am already supplementing fish oil for the entire cage, because Monty in is the beginning stages of HED. I figured it wouldn't hurt anyone and it's good for cardiac health. Sophie's issue only came up when the tumour burst the first time and worsened over the last week though, so I'm not sure it is HED or something similar caused by the tumour or infection. (Monty is only at the point where he has weakness and not muscle spasms.)

With everything she's been through, I've decided it's smart to get a necropsy done when the time comes. I got the quote when we went in to have Amy PTS and talked to my vet today about what timeline we were looking at if she passes on her own at home. I usually bring home my rats and show them to the colony before taking them back to the vet to cremate, but I don't know if I'll be able to do that this time. I worry what will happen to the colony without her - she is close to all of them and she really balances everything out. I guess that's something I am going to have to figure out when the time comes.

Sophie looks a lot better tonight. The vet said I should put Polysporin on the wound and it seems to have kept it from getting as gross between flushes. Once again, Sophie never fails to amaze and surprise me.
 
I had let Sophie go today, we reached the point where I couldn't help her enough. Her appetite down early in the week and although it came back, she lost a lot of mobility on Wednesday. She was having a lot of trouble finding positions to rest and she just didn't look comfortable anymore. She got a lot of cuddles and treats the last three days, both from her human and her rat buddies. I miss her very much already.

This is how I'll always remember Sophie, a sweet cuddle bug that wanted nothing more than to be friends with everyone she met

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I'm so so sorry. :hugs:
She was a beautiful soul and I'm sure she knew how very much you loved her.
You have been the best rat mommy.

Play hard at the bridge Sophie.
 
So sorry for your loss! :sad3: You both (you and Sophie) seemed to get on the same track together in this most difficult journey!!....Sophie showed you how much she loved you and you most certainly reciprocated! :heart: As painful as it is to have to live without Sophie, I can only imagine what a joy it was to live with her!! :hugs:
 
Thanks everyone. It's always a little difficult adjusting. The rats are acting off, I pull out way too many syringes at med time, and head counts feel incomplete. I miss her like crazy, but I know I did my best.

I will update the implant thread at some point, maybe after final results are in, but I have some preliminary necropsy results from today. I wasn't sure if this was the best place to share them, but I figured it's good to keep everything together in one place.

The vet said all of her internal organs looked good - her lungs, kidneys, heart, brain, etc. The tumours near her right hind leg, her throat, and in her abdomen (close to but not attached to the spleen) were similar in composition. The lump in her armpit was not a mammary tumour but a reactive lymph node. The tumour by her left hind leg (the one that was necrotic and burst) was very spread out and intertwined in a lot of tissue, including her leg muscle. There were a lot of pockets of pus in the leg muscle (because of the tumour) and that's why it was partially paralyzed. (The second part of that I'm paraphrasing - I understood that the infection ate away at the muscle and caused it to atrophy/waste away, which I concluded caused the paralysis.) That makes a lot of sense, she did not seem to have typical HED. There was no signs of a pituitary gland tumour, although the entire brain is being sent for more testing to the University of Georgia (I though it was going to be the faculty here but she wants U of G because they are the best with exotics) just to make sure and to see if there's evidence of a stroke. I'm still curious as to whether or not it was a stroke in January.

The part I found most interesting and promising though, was that she had trouble finding the reproductive organs (uterus and ovaries) because they had atrophied, practically wasting away to nothing. That would mean that the tumours she did have were not fed by hormones. It looks like the Deslorelin implants did their job like expected. I had been really worried recently that one of the abdominal tumours was uterine in nature, because of their location and that she had vaginal discharge once right after she got the implant, and I was kicking myself for not surgically spaying her. That seems very unlikely now, I'm just waiting on all the tissue testing to come back (it will take about a month) to see if it can shed more light on their nature.
 
Thanks for sharing this info, Victoria. Wow... I've never been asked about having a necropsy done, nor thought to ask for one.. I'm glad that you did! This information is a huge help, and I'm glad you've shared it with us. What the vet found about the tumor that burst, and what you said about paralysis seems to fit bang-on for my Lollipop too. She also had partial paralysis, but it didn't seem to fit the descriptions for HED nor for PT, and I had assumed that she just had a spinal degeneration because of old age. But the timing of her tumor/surgery/paralysis jived enough that she may likely have had the same thing going on as your Sophie. May I ask if the vet said anything more about the type of tumor this was? I'd just been referring to Lolli's as a malignant tumor.

Thanks again for sharing your results to date.

BTW -- do all vets do necropsies? This is an option I may like to consider in the future.

victoria said:
The vet said all of her internal organs looked good - her lungs, kidneys, heart, brain, etc. The tumours near her right hind leg, her throat, and in her abdomen (close to but not attached to the spleen) were similar in composition. The lump in her armpit was not a mammary tumour but a reactive lymph node. The tumour by her left hind leg (the one that was necrotic and burst) was very spread out and intertwined in a lot of tissue, including her leg muscle. There were a lot of pockets of pus in the leg muscle (because of the tumour) and that's why it was partially paralyzed. (The second part of that I'm paraphrasing - I understood that the infection ate away at the muscle and caused it to atrophy/waste away, which I concluded caused the paralysis.) That makes a lot of sense, she did not seem to have typical HED. There was no signs of a pituitary gland tumour, although the entire brain is being sent for more testing to the University of Georgia (I though it was going to be the faculty here but she wants U of G because they are the best with exotics) just to make sure and to see if there's evidence of a stroke. I'm still curious as to whether or not it was a stroke in January.
 

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