quinners eye - quickie update

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temblabamomo said:
Dr. P called left me a message this morning to let me know Quinners was doing okay, they'd given him some soft foods as he still didn't seem to interested in trying to chew much hard stuff. He said they'd put him on a second pain med? (didn't give the name) because that whole side of his face just seems "pretty ouchie right now". Is this normal following this sort of surgery?

Barring any complications, Mom is going to pick him up around 3 and stay home with him.

He is probably stressed since he's at the vet's still...I find they come home, relax and do a LOT better. :) I wonder if they added tramadol?

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Mom is home with Quinn right now, he's been quiet and seems to be feeling kind of tough, but I guess he's been through a lot.

Gabapentin? I read that is used for pain, as well as being an anti-seizure med. Any thoughts? I don't know the concentration or the dosage they gave him.

They also said the sutures are dissolvable, and barring any complications, he won't even need a recheck.

They didn't send any abs. I have Orbofloxacin, Doxy and Baytril at the house. The vet didn't say he had to take them, but I feel really uneasy having a post-op kiddo home and not having him on anything, especially since the eye had to be removed because of infection.

Thoughts??
 
temblabamomo said:
Mom is home with Quinn right now, he's been quiet and seems to be feeling kind of tough, but I guess he's been through a lot.

Gabapentin? I read that is used for pain, as well as being an anti-seizure med. Any thoughts? I don't know the concentration or the dosage they gave him.

They also said the sutures are dissolvable, and barring any complications, he won't even need a recheck.

They didn't send any abs. I have Orbofloxacin, Doxy and Baytril at the house. The vet didn't say he had to take them, but I feel really uneasy having a post-op kiddo home and not having him on anything, especially since the eye had to be removed because of infection.

Thoughts??

When they remove the eye they carefully flush it out, but I would start him on baytril even just as a 7 day preventative? They didn't give you any metacam? do you have Ibu at home, because you want the anti-inflammatory as well as the pain relief.
 
lilspaz68 said:
temblabamomo said:
Mom is home with Quinn right now, he's been quiet and seems to be feeling kind of tough, but I guess he's been through a lot.

Gabapentin? I read that is used for pain, as well as being an anti-seizure med. Any thoughts? I don't know the concentration or the dosage they gave him.

They also said the sutures are dissolvable, and barring any complications, he won't even need a recheck.

They didn't send any abs. I have Orbofloxacin, Doxy and Baytril at the house. The vet didn't say he had to take them, but I feel really uneasy having a post-op kiddo home and not having him on anything, especially since the eye had to be removed because of infection.

Thoughts??

When they remove the eye they carefully flush it out, but I would start him on baytril even just as a 7 day preventative? They didn't give you any metacam? do you have Ibu at home, because you want the anti-inflammatory as well as the pain relief.

I have ibu, could he have that with the gabapentin? I will definitely start him on the baytril.
 
temblabamomo said:
lilspaz68 said:
temblabamomo said:
Mom is home with Quinn right now, he's been quiet and seems to be feeling kind of tough, but I guess he's been through a lot.

Gabapentin? I read that is used for pain, as well as being an anti-seizure med. Any thoughts? I don't know the concentration or the dosage they gave him.

They also said the sutures are dissolvable, and barring any complications, he won't even need a recheck.

They didn't send any abs. I have Orbofloxacin, Doxy and Baytril at the house. The vet didn't say he had to take them, but I feel really uneasy having a post-op kiddo home and not having him on anything, especially since the eye had to be removed because of infection.

Thoughts??

When they remove the eye they carefully flush it out, but I would start him on baytril even just as a 7 day preventative? They didn't give you any metacam? do you have Ibu at home, because you want the anti-inflammatory as well as the pain relief.

I have ibu, could he have that with the gabapentin? I will definitely start him on the baytril.

I will have to look that one up.
 
very quiet this evening. brought him out on the couch. he was inquisitive and semi-lively. mostly he's just been sleeping and eating watermelon. still no real interest in hard foods. but seems comfy. is this normal? won't take pain meds, horrible taste.
 
It looks like Gabapentin is supposed to be used WITH another pain med...how is his swelling?
from http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Conten ... ourceID=52

How this Medication is Used

Gabapentin can be used in both dogs and cats. The dosing is very different depending on if gabapentin is being used for seizure control or for pain management. For seizure control gabapentin is typically used three times daily, while for pain control it is usually used once a day. Furthermore, anti-seizure doses are three to ten times higher than analgesic doses, which means that in seizure control expense is likely an issue.

Gabapentin's anti-seizure capabilities have met with mixed reviews among veterinary neurologists. For pain control, gabapentin is usually used in conjunction with other pain relievers that may later be tapered away.

Side Effects

Sedation is the chief side effect of concern. Diarrhea has also been reported.

In mice, male mice on gabapentin were found to have an increased incidence of pancreatic cancer. It is unknown if this finding holds for other species. This information has not hindered FDA approval for human use of gabapentin.

Gabapentin can cause a false positive reading on urine dipstick tests for urinary protein.

Interactions with Other Drugs

For chronic pain relief, gabapentin is best started in combination with other pain relievers but after a time often the other pain relievers can be discontinued and gabapentin is effective as a sole agent.

Oral antacids will hinder absorption of gabapentin into the body by up to 20% so it is important to separate administration of these two medications by at least 2 hours.

Concurrent use of the narcotics hydrocodone or morphine with gabapentin can increase the effectiveness of gabapentin. Concurrent use of gabapentin with hydrocodone will decrease the effectiveness of the hydrocodone.

Concerns and Cautions

Gabapentin may be given with or without food.

Doses for cats are small enough that a compounding pharmacy may need to prepare an appropriate product.

Gabapentin is removed from the body through the kidneys. If it is to be used in a patient with kidney insufficiency the dose will need to be modified, or another product should be selected.

Gabapentin is not safe for use in pregnancy but should be safe for use in lactation.

Gabapentin should not be abruptly discontinued after long-term use as seizures can be precipitated. Instead, gabapentin should be gradually tapered off over a couple of weeks.

Gabapentin oral suspension is sweetened with xylitol which has toxic properties in the dog. The doses used to control pain should not contain enough xylitol to be problematic but anti-seizure doses might. The issue can be avoided by having liquid formulations compounded rather than using the commercially available oral
 
Idk, after reading all that, I'm just more confused. I was expecting metacam or something.

He's steadfastly refusing to take it, I tried any number of tasty mixtures to hide it in and the taste was still awful.

No problems with appetite though - he practically inhaled his lab block mush this morning, and has developed a frightening addiction to watermelon. My concern now is if he doesn't start getting some hard foods into him, his teeth will get too long. It's hard to get a decent look at them, but I know he is biting the watermelon so for now they're OK.

Pain level seems to be alright - he's still too sore to try lab blocks, but otherwise he is active and not showing signs of distress. There doesn't seem to be too much swelling right now. This morning Quinn was awake and staring at me when I woke up, poking his nose through the hospital cage wanting to know when I was going to let him out. He waddled around the room for a solid 30 minutes, exploring, etc. Before the surgery his playtime mostly consisted of him being very edgy and only moving around in order to find a good place to hide/sleep. He was very much more relaxed this morning.
 
temblabamomo said:
Idk, after reading all that, I'm just more confused. I was expecting metacam or something.

He's steadfastly refusing to take it, I tried any number of tasty mixtures to hide it in and the taste was still awful.

No problems with appetite though - he practically inhaled his lab block mush this morning, and has developed a frightening addiction to watermelon. My concern now is if he doesn't start getting some hard foods into him, his teeth will get too long. It's hard to get a decent look at them, but I know he is biting the watermelon so for now they're OK.

Pain level seems to be alright - he's still too sore to try lab blocks, but otherwise he is active and not showing signs of distress. There doesn't seem to be too much swelling right now. This morning Quinn was awake and staring at me when I woke up, poking his nose through the hospital cage wanting to know when I was going to let him out. He waddled around the room for a solid 30 minutes, exploring, etc. Before the surgery his playtime mostly consisted of him being very edgy and only moving around in order to find a good place to hide/sleep. He was very much more relaxed this morning.

Don't worry about his teeth, they brux to keep the teeth ground down. Give him nice soft foods, since his jaw is attached to the muscles around his eye (think of boggling).

Amazing how you can take away the pain of an injury and even though they are sore from the surgery they are so much happier :D Get the Ibu since they often will take it right from the syringe. The grape flavoured dye-free Advil seems to be a consistent favourite for rats :)
 
Little man is doing pretty good. He's still not going for the hard food, but he's also refusing to take the Gabapentin, so I know he's still gotta be hurting. We've been doing Ibu instead, as well as baytril. The hospital cage is on the table beside my bed...I woke up at 5:30 this morning, rolled over, and found him staring at me, with his little nose pressed through the bars of the cage, remaining eye glaring at me and demanding I wake up and pay attention to him :giggle:

Can't post pics here from work, but a couple post-op on my blog - temblabarats.wordpress.com

One thing - he hasn't been using his water bottle. He's been getting plenty of fluids via some Ensure and watermelon, but I haven't seen him use the bottle once. I hope once he is healed and back in his old cage, the water bottle will seem more familiar.
 

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