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Asheka

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I have Trouble, an 18 mnth old boy and now two roughly 4 mnth old boys. All three (the two younger are from the same litter) come from large male homes and are kissy and lovable. I am wondering with the steps I was reading below as our 'outtime area' right now is my bed until we get my bedroom a rat proofed, so they will be smelling each other from outtime - yes I realize this will probably result in a lot of changed sheets LOL - and I am unable to have their cages close enough to each other to smell close up (my bedroom is small, but they're across the room from each other with the way it's set up).

I was wondering on the theory of putting a small amount of water in the tub, with something to climb up on, for intros as well. I remember reading it helps as they will be nervous of the water or something....Not sure. Would love all possible opinions as I've never done intros before.

Thanks!
 
Being across the room in a small room is still good. Rats as we know have a great sense of smell so they definitely will know that there are new rats there. You can start in the tub with water if you like. I have never done that. I start my intros without water.
 
I usually give everyone baths, then put them together in neutral area. If that doesn't work, then I use the tub with water once I figure out who has the issues. I have had a group I had to shock the crap out of in order for them to get along (getting G'Kar back with his brother/father). I think you could try the easy way first, just neutralizing the smell of each rat and intro in an area they are not common with. First intros in tub are iffy to me, if there is a fight I would be scared someone could suck up some water into their lungs.

Oh and my easiest intro was with Londo/Lenir (18m) with Ash and Loki (4m). The babies were not interested in starting anything.
 
Thanks guys!! I'm just nervous of Smeagol and Hoggle ganging up on Trouble, although they are still quite nervous on their own but pretty sure I saw one being a bit 'dominant' (humping) after they went back in their cage tonight. I'm hoping it's a good sign that Trouble did nothing but smell every unch of the bed and nibble me a bit when he came out, after they had been out. Might try the empty tub tomorrow and see how well it might go.
 
The tub with water is a last resort.

I would suggest you try the "normal" steps first

These are the intro steps I learned years ago from more knowlegable people in the rat community.
They have always worked for me.

1. Usually people quarantine new rats for 2 weeks if they aren't able to do a proper quarantine. It is 4 weeks for a proper quarantine with a different air supply, etc. You may want to read up on quarantines and also the thread about the importance of a proper quarantine on jorats forum. You just need to be aware of precautions to take and what the risks are if you do not take them. If a new rat comes from a source you trust or has been in a home where it was basically quarantined, many people take a calculated risk and do not quarantine once the new rat has been found to be healthy and parasite free.

2. To get ratties used to one another you put cages near each other but far enough apart that they can not reach. You exchange dirty cloths from one cage to another and put rats in one another's cages when the occupant is not home. This is usually done over a one or two week period, sometimes longer depending on the rats. Sometimes it goes much faster, depending on the ratties.

3. When they are no longer showing signs of aggression toward the unfamiliar rat, then you do intros in neutral territory. I would suggest you put the plug in the tub, put a fleece blanket in the bottom of the tub and put in a dish of yummy food such as yogurt.
Then add rats and watch.

4. When rats have been able to be together in a neutral place for 20 to 30 minutes without any signs of aggression on a number of occasions, you repeat in a non neutral area such as the play area.

5. When rats have been together repeated times in a non neutral area without any sign of aggression they are ready to live together.

6. You take the large cage they will live in and completely wash it out so it doesn't smell like anyone. You rearrange the items in the cage as well. You don't want ratties thinking they need to defend their territory. Some people suggest having the cage empty except for a plate with yummy food and gradually adding items over the next few hours. You put in a plate of yummy food. Sit back and keep an eye on them for the next 8 to 12 hours or so.

Each step usually takes a week, but with some rats it can go much faster, or much slower.
There are two other steps for rats that are very aggressive toward one another but they are not normally needed.
In general, neutered boys are easier to introduce then unneutered.

*** If at any stage ratties show signs of aggression (puffiness, snorting, backing rear end into other rattie, etc) then you go back a step as they were not ready yet.
A bit of aggression is normal and they will pin and power groom but there should be no blood.
 

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