Glucosamine/Chondroitin for back end degeneration

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Drug Interactions or Contraindications
Caution if using glucosamines/chondroitin sulfates in conjunction with other medications that influence platelet function, such as aspirin, and phenylbutazone.
Adverse Reactions
Blood: decreased platelet (blood clotting cell) function.
 
ashana, I would go with the first one, only my opinion though as the ingredients are close to what I give. again, this is just an opinion.
 
From personal experience the effects of glucosamine can be seen much faster. I can usually see or feel a difference in myself of my animals within 3 days, with full effects taking up to a week or two to obtain.

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Thanks Mumarat, i will shop around for some ASAP and get started. I will let you all know if i see any effects from usage with the rat that has the beginnings of HED ;-)
 
I think people are making too much of exact dosage and looking at this more as a medicine (that needs exact dosage and properly timed administration) than as the vitamin it is. There's a lot of room for play with vitamins, depending on need, you don't overdose taking 3 1-a-day vitamins!
Keep in mind that when they were testing it on rats for human safety they were giving them massive doses with no ill effects seen, and the whole point of doing it was to watch for side effects. If they test it on ratties to make sure it's ok for me and it's ok for them under constant scientific scrutiny then it might be ok for me, eh?

Having said that, they come in different doses, so ease of measuring was most important, I just got as close (sure not exact) to the dose recommended from a trusted source on the net by cutting my 500 mg pill in 8 doses. 500 mg is what was on sale. I'd cut a 750 mg the same (how do cut it in 1/10's?). It wouldn't be detrimental to any adult rattie of any age (unless they had an abnormal personal allergy which can happen with any med or vitamin) to have twice that, it's just probably not necessary.

sausage4forever, for the reasons I stated above I can't see any reason to limit it to old kids or just kids already experiencing problems. Actually, I've always bought dog food that states 'with glucosamine & chondroitin' on the front of the bag since the HED is such a concern, mostly in boys, but the vitamin can't help but be a benefit to the girls too (if it benefits human joints it might benefit rattie joints too) . I wouldn't go thru the trouble of cutting, crushing and mixing pills to make it palatable unless if felt a kid might have a need for it tho, too much work.... I looked for a liquid form but couldn't find one, so the 'work involved/possible benefit' ratio has to mean someone needs it. But my girls have always had the dog food with it.

*Bummer sidenote* Had Touille to the vet today for a bump above his hip I've been compressing for over a month (yes, the bump was there way before I started the glucosamine). Vet says it's a tumor. It really sucks that he gets his ambulation back and now this. Upset as I am, I'm overjoyed that I was able to give him his legs back for as long as the tumor allows it.
 
How much a concern is the increased chance of bleeding as a side effect? Our Dominic is only 20 months or so, but had a stumble going up a ramp too fast tonight and ripped off a toenail. Oh, the bleeding. Lots of it. Many tissues and much cornstarch. He's fine now. But, we're starting to consider the gluco as maintenance for him, and wondering if there is something(like a dogfood) with a clotting agent in it, to reduce the chance of dangerous bleeds. Thoughts?
 
Anyone else seeing behaviour changes in their rats since starting the glucosamine? My mom's rat Oscar is showing changes and not for the good. Oscar has become angry/bully and is puffy all the time. We are wondering if it's due to the supplement or it could be something entirely different like PT. Unfortunately, after 3 weeks, there is no change in Oscar's mobility, mamarat has stopped the supplement to see if it will make Oscar a sweet boy again.
 
I have used glucosamine for myself, my partner, my kitties, and some of my rats, and have never noticed a behavioral change beyond increased happiness related to increased comfort. I'm sorry for your poor boy Oscar, I hope he becomes happy again soon.

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All the supplements here have at least 1500mg a pill, which, by the dosage in the original post, would have to be crushed and divided into 24(!!!) equal doses, which is crazy. We may look into getting some gluco for dogs, which probably has a lower dose(we have a friend who gives gluco to her elderly puppy)

However, while looking at the Glucosamine supplements in the drugstore the other day, we saw this: http://www.elations.com/ on the shelf. It's 1500mg of Gluco in an 8oz bottle of cranapple juice. Which would mean 1/24 would be 1/3 of an oz, which seems a reasonable dose. Does anyone see anything in the ingredients list that would be bad for a rat? It seems like it would be a SUPER easy way to get them to take it...
 
Mamarat decided to stop the supplements on Oscar and sure enough, he's not puffy or listless anymore. I don't think it was agreeing with him.
 
Thats interesting Jo, I wonder why he did that? Was there anything else in the supplement? Was he started at a low or high dose? I'm just curious as I've never heard glucosamine changing attitude.

MomRat- Have you looked for liquid glucosamine? A third of an ounce doesn't sound like much until you have to give it day after day. I don't know if it would affect rats, but calcium does seem really high in that supplement. If you get the powder version you might be able to mix it up into a more concentrated liquid.

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Sorry if I missed it but what glucosamine were you using Mamarat? My sister works for a vitamin company and one of the things they make is a glucosamine/msm product. I am curious to know why your rat reacted that way, and would like to send a list of ingredients on the brand you are using and asking her if there is something in there that could be causing behavior issues.
 
I have the Cosco Kirkland Signature

Glucosamine 500
Chondroitin 400
MSM 400

I googled this and it can upset the stomach. I'm wondering if Oscar had a sore tummy.
 
Glucosamine does cause an upset tummy if you start it too high. When I've used it in the past I've started with a much smaller dose, then worked my way up. I think I'm going to be starting it for Snickers as soon as I get back from Anchorage. I'll be sure to report how it goes.

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I'm sorry to hear that Oscar had a bad time and that is seemed to be because of the glucosamine. I sure can't say the glucosamine didn't cause it and maybe it did. Sorry kiddo. Maybe that shows that not every kid can tolerate it. And surely it's not a miracle cure for everyone or we'd have heard that here by now. You're just hearing it is a miracle for my Touille. I hope people hear and try it cause if if did this for Touille it will for some others. If there was any all-encompassing miracle for all the kids we'd know about it here. I can only post about my miracle, and it still is that for me & Touille.
His tumor is going to out-control anything he or I do. But he's still getting around with his feet under him and moving them when he moves. I'm just thrilled that this glucosamine has given him comfortable mobility the last couple months. I guess he doesn't have a lot of months left :cry3: but he's already walked thru a couple of them ratherthan dragging himself, and the only reason for that is glucosamine. Not a cure-all for everyone but a miracle for my boy!
 
Others have noticed a difference in their rats too, not just lucky Touille.

I hope the others come and report their progress here too...
It figures that it would be one of ours here to have such a bad reaction to the supplements. We seem to get them all. lol
 
We are having a really hard time finding anything marketed for people that doesn't have oodles and oodles of other stuff in it. How does this one look?

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/p ... atid=21562

per tablet unless otherwise specified):
Glucosamine 500 mg
Chondroitin 200 mg
Vitamin C 25 mg
Manganese 1 mg
Vitamin E 25 IU
1 tablet = 2256 mg

Inactive Ingredients: Brewers Dried Yeast, Magnesium Stearate, Microcrystalline Cellulose, Natural and Artificial Bacon Flavor, and Stearic Acid.

I know it doesn't have the MSM, and the next step up in their products does, but it costs more than twice as much. Does this look ok to you guys?
 

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