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maria-mar

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So this was my first day as a dog fosterer... i brought the dog home, gave him a bath, took away his parasites, walked him, and he's a pretty amazing dog! Sweetest boy :)

But...
He barks at my rats. All the time. Especially Mr. Floyd. This is just the first day, but i don't seem able to correct him, he just keeps barking unless i have him on leash (and holding the leash myself). So here i am, trying to type with a leash around my arm, and i can't work because there's a dog barking at my rats :/

Do you know of some way to correct this behaviour? I really don't want to give the dog back just yet, the pound is so full he'd be put down imediately... he went straight from the streets to my house :/
 
What type of dog is he? Some breeds are hard-wired to go after rats and other small animals.

Or if he's been on the streets for awhile, he may have had a bad run-in with some wild rats.
 
He's a mutt, no specific type... here he is ^_^
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Thing is... i can either fix his behaviour somehow... or he's back on the streets... and he's hurt, he needs medical care :(
 
It sounds like he just needs some good obediance training. With time and patience, most dogs can learn the 'no bark' command. How you teach it...well, you may want to research basic dog training, and decide what method you want to use. I know there are some pretty dog savy people on the forum, hopefully some of them will have some answers for you.

I have seen dogs trained with clickers, shock collars, and tin cans full of coins. I'm not advocating the shock collar, I've seen it used very successfully but I think it is somewhat cruel. My stepmother had some success giving a tin can of coins a good shake or knock to grab the puppy's attention during a barking fit, long enough to say 'no bark'. Eventually the dog learned what 'no bark' meant.

In the meantime, is it possible to close of the rat room so the dog won't see them?

My stepma's mutant sheltie was the same with rats. She and Barnaby sniffed noses for a few seconds before she decided he was a threat and started to bark uncontrollably at him. I never brought her around my rats again. But then she was very young and had no training at the time.
 
No shock collar, i can't stand the thought of it :/

Clicker wouldn't work... the dog is a little deaf. He can hear but only if you speak real loud, and still he can't tell from which direction the sound is coming.

For now i've just been tapping lightly on his back or nose and saying a loud "NO". But i bet the dog has been beaten baddly, my tapping doesn't seem to do anything besides giving me the sad look :S


I tried closing but... the rat room is also my work office, where i spend most day, as i work from home as a freelancer illustrator. So i have to stay there closed with them, dog doesn't like the idea of being alone and... barks even more.

We're going out to a friend's home later tonight... i just hope he doesn't bark non stop all the time we're away.
 
There are collars that you could try that instead of giving a shock they vibrate when the dog barks and apparently they work pretty good. I think it'd be good too if the dog has bad hearing. :')
 
No problemo! Just make sure they are touching the skin (the vibrating part) if you do get one. I used to work at a pet store where they sold them and an older man tried to return his collar because it wasn't working but turns out he had it on his dog SUPER loose, lol.
 
Hey, what about collars that use sound? I just found one online, i know i said the dog is a little deaf but maybe it uses that kind of sound that only some animals can hear, not us?
 
If he can hear it, I would assume it'd work. There are also collars that pray some type of something or other when the dog barks, but that sounds a little sketchy to me..
 
Well, i think i'll the collar a try, as long as it isn't shock. It's just either that or the streets again :/
I wouldn't bother so much with the barking if it wasn't for the neighboors and the rats... poor Zeppelin is really afraid of the dog.
 
My worry with the ultra sonic correction collars would be that the noise might really bother your rats. I know there are "pest control' devices that work in a similar way, where they emit a high frequency noise to keep the rats away.

There are a couple of things you can do. First, I'd figure out why he's barking at the rats... is he curious? is he scared? does he want to play with the rats?
if he is scared ( scared barking is usually from a distance, and the body will be very tense, tail straight out) then teach him the "touch" command. First start with your hand, teach him to touch by saying "touch" gently touching his nose, and giving him a treat. Then after a few times, move your hand a few inches from his nose, say "touch" and wait, he will be confused at first, but he will want the treat that usually accompanies that word, so he will try to figure it out. If he just stares at you, move your hand closer, but don't touch him yet, wait for him to touch you. If he doesn't get it at that point, go back a step and start over. Once hes masterd touch, have him touch the rat cage (I wouldn't do this with the rats, because he may not react well) Keep him leashed through this process, so you can pull him away quickly if he reacts badly. Most likely he will be focused on the treats. This time say "touch" and point at the cage with the same hand you had him touch before, and reward him for this. This should help him become more comfortable with the rats, and he will learn that they are nothing to be concerned over.

If like my roomies dog he is curious (body more relaxed, ears forward, body ingeneral more forward) then you can do something as simple as taking an empty aluminum can, and put a few pennies in it. When he barks shake the can. If this method is going to work, you will know right away. He will react to the noise, probably by looking at you with a quizical look... like WTF was that?! at that point, because he's stopped barking, say "quiet" and then give him a treat and praise him for being quiet. If he starts to bark again repeat the process. Try not to let him see the can, because you want to distance your self from it, so he wont bark when your not home, because he's worried about the big noise coming back.
If that doesn't work, and he is interested in the rats, you can remove him when he starts to bark. Find a safe place to stash him (not his crate, because his crate should never be a punishment) but some where he cannot see you, or your rats. When he barks, simply grab him, and put him in the other room. Leave him there for a few minutes, and then let him back into the room with the rats. If he barks again repeat the process. If he wants to be near the rats, to check them out and watch them, then he will learn that he needs to be quiet to be out there. When you let him out and he is being quiet, tell him what a good boy he his, and give lots of love and treats. If then he starts barking again, repeat... this takes a little while, but its very effective.

Hope that helps :)
 
Oh gosh, how could i forget about that? Of course the rats would also hear it :(

He doesn't seem scared at all... he puts his paws up in the cage, the nose right in the bars and just barks at them... so i tried the can trick. Nothing. It didn't work at all, he continued on barking and the rats seemed even more scared... gosh they were really scared. I can't allow that, the dog must go if i can't find a solution :/

Yeah well like said before... i've tried the other room thing. It's even worse. It seems like he barks also when he's alone... and we're about to go out in a few minutes -_-

But thanks for the tips, some may help with time :)
 
If you touching him to correct him when he's barking and he stops then I think that's a good way to go. If he's giving you a sad look when you do that then it just means that he knows he's done something wrong (unless he actually is startled by the touch and jumps).
 
Please, nothing involving noise... i think the can scared more the rats than the dog barking :(

I just called the pound, we may try a trade tomorrow... one of the dogs that's there comes here, and dear Spot goes there... that way we can make room for him in the pound without having to put anyone down. I'm really really sorry for him... such a sweet dog, and needing extra care since he's hurt... but if there's no other option, it's still better than going back to the streets. There's a lot of dogs there needing a little more love as well...

I'm so sorry for him though, he is such a sweetheart, always following me to every room, sleeping as close to my feet as he can... but the rats are just plain scared and dealing with it made it impossible for me to work for even 10 minutes today :/
 
Hey,
I am sorry it didn't work out with Spot. It sounds to me like it would take too long to train him, and it must be so terrifying for your rats.
Hopefully the dog you take in exchange will be readier to live with ratties...my dog is great with my rats, she never bugs them.
 
I'm sure with time he would learn... but the rats are just so scared, and i'm afraid he might actually turn the cages over and let them out and... cause he doesn't just barks, he puts his paws on the bars and pushes...

But gosh, we just got back home after a couple hours back and he was so happy to see us back... this will be hard :(
 
KTyne said:
If he can hear it, I would assume it'd work. There are also collars that pray some type of something or other when the dog barks, but that sounds a little sketchy to me..

I've modified this for a cheaper way. According to the developer of these collars dogs are distracted by the scent of citrus so instead of buying a collar we bought a water bottle and put a couple drops of lemon and diluted it with water. Not a lot of lemon. I'm talking maybe two or three drops to two cups of water or more.

I have a high strung beagle who barks at everyone through the front door. Spraying the water near her distracts her long enough for me to tell her no.
 

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