Are these WORMS? *pics*

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RoSni

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I was playing with Maddox, and I noticed a bundle of... stringy things, on his "bits".

I thought it was just a.. well, string.

Then he accidently rubbed the 'string' off, on my black shirt and I noticed the 'string' was squirming around.

Not a string.

The pictures aren't that great, but I could get a pretty good close-up.








So Shackers. What do you think? :(

And how do I treat this if they are worms? He's already on Doxy and Baytril. How many more drugs can we possibly pump into him at once?
 
Yikes... that looks like an awful lot. I too would take the worms into the vet. I think they'll want to treat with ivermectin as well.
 
Poor guy. Try emailing the pic of the worms to the vet, he may be able to prescribe Ivermectin since he's seen him recently.
 
Were they coming from his "bits" or elsewhere?

That is a lot, perhaps check the cage for something as well... see if you can find poops with them in.

But definitely see a vet. They look like roundworms from the picture, but it is hard to see... what do they look like close up? shape, size, etc?

Very cool, but not something that I would want to deal with. I really really really wish that I had my parasitology notes here with me now
 
Were they coming from his "bits" or elsewhere?

No, I'd think they came from his behind.

That is a lot, perhaps check the cage for something as well... see if you can find poops with them in.

I know- it IS a lot! I haven't seen any in his poop which is why I'm confused. When I first got him he had on and off bloating and twice had runny stools. I was worried about megacolon but worms makes much more sense. And is a lot more manageable.

My mom and I joked that all the worms just came out at once- so he must be cured! :giggle:

8I But not really. It's very weird- from seeing no worms to seeing a load of them in a bundle.

They look like roundworms from the picture, but it is hard to see... what do they look like close up? shape, size, etc?

Well, that IS close up. Very close up. I can't see any closer with my eyes than I can with my camera.
 
I haven't seen any in his poop which is why I'm confused

SCRAP THAT. They're in his poop. And it's mushy.

But in the proper stools, there are no worms.

He's had a mushy bowel movement three times now [in total, not just today].

Off to the vet again. :panic: Good thing I didn't intro him to Panzer yet!
 
RoSni said:
Well, that IS close up. Very close up. I can't see any closer with my eyes than I can with my camera.

Ah, ic. I wasn't sure if real life was easier. It is hard to tell the size of them tho. There is nothing to relate back to and they are all tangled up into a happy, squirmy, little ball.

Hope you can get something to clear it up! I may have missed this somewhere, but where did you get him?

Poor guy, being all bloated and... wriggly... yuck!

Good luck at the vet!
 
I may have missed this somewhere, but where did you get him?

As a feeder from a reptile shop. I'd gotten Panzer and Posie there a little over a year ago, and while Posie came with a URI [as did Maddox], I had no idea that his rats had worms.

Maybe they didn't a year ago, but they sure do now. He didn't get them from MY house..

I just thought about it and.. Should I contact the shop owner and tell him to stop selling these rats? I mean, I know they're feeders and he doesn't care for their health but couldn't this be a health hazard for the snakes as well?

And if Maddox had them, they all had them.

Eurgh.
Be glad you don't have my stomach.

Hahah! I AM glad. I think the grossest thing I've run into with a rat is.. That incident that ended up with me squeezing out an abcess filled with smelly green puss. Poor Rowf, I had him laying on his back in the palm of my hand. I had to constantly give him cheerios, so he wouldn't try to get away while I prodded at the little guy's belly.

If I was squeamish I would have quit rats right then and there! But I can handle insects, parasites and gross bodily fluids just fine. :) The only thing I have trouble with is surgeries. You should of seen me when I had my cat spayed!


Nematodes (pinworms, roundworms)
Treat with one of the following drugs; fenbendazole, piperazine, or ivermectin.

Do you mean ask Dr.Munn for those things when I bring Maddox in, or.. Don't bring Maddox in, and try to get a hold of one of those drugs? :?

I've read of people feeding their rats ivermectin that they've bought themselves.


Here's someone asking a question about a case pretty much exactly like mine. Or I mean here's the answer to said question:

From your description, these sound like what are called rat pinworms. Your rat's age makes that even more likely because this species is most often found in young male rats. Rat pinworms are considered nonpathogenic, which means they don't usually cause symptoms. If the rat is not healthy, or has a really heavy load of these worms, they can cause constipation, fecal impaction, and rectal prolapse. The number of worms tends to decrease and then disappear as the rat gets older.

If you want to treat the rat for pinworms, you can use fenbendazole, piperazine, or ivermectin. I'll give you instructions for ivermectin, which you can buy in a farm supply or horse supply store, sold as a paste horse wormer. Some brand names areXXXXX 1, Equalvan, and Equimectrin. When you open the tube, squeeze out a little of the paste to get rid of the liquid that may collect at the end. Throw that away. You'll need to give your rat a bit of the paste, the size of half a grain of cooked rice. That doesn't seem like much, but for a young rat, it's enough. Just put the paste on a treat and feed it to him. He'll need to be treated once a week for three weeks in a row. To read the original instructions:

http://ratguide.com/meds/antiinfectives/ivermectin.php


Is this accurate or do you think I should skip along to the vet? I really have no qualms about going back to Greenwood Park [it's amost exciting!]. It's going to be lethally hot, but I can just put a frozen water bottle or two in the carrier right?

Oh, and by accurate, I mean the treatment, not that they'll 'go away' as he gets older. For all I know it's true, but I'd like to be sure there aren't any worms swimming around in my little guy.


AND, if I could make this post even LONGER and ask yet another question..

How long do I have to wait to intro him to Panzer now? :( Poor thing seems lost without Posie but I don't want him to have worms too.
 
RoSni said:
Eurgh.
Be glad you don't have my stomach.

Hahah! I AM glad. I think the grossest thing I've run into with a rat is.. That incident that ended up with me squeezing out an abcess filled with smelly green puss. Poor Rowf, I had him laying on his back in the palm of my hand. I had to constantly give him cheerios, so he wouldn't try to get away while I prodded at the little guy's belly.

If I was squeamish I would have quit rats right then and there! But I can handle insects, parasites and gross bodily fluids just fine. :) The only thing I have trouble with is surgeries. You should of seen me when I had my cat spayed!

I can handle poop, pee, blood, and vomit. I don't know if I could handle insects or parasites.
 
RoSni said:
How long do I have to wait to intro him to Panzer now? :( Poor thing seems lost without Posie but I don't want him to have worms too.

I would still take him to the vet. I don't know about dosing of ivermectin. The vet can show you exactly what you need to do and confirm that it is indeed rat pinworm/roundworm/whatever. If they have a tail that tapers to a point then you can bet it is pinworm (thus the name), however if they are the same size all the way down they are a round worm.

As for introing, this is the other reason why I would go to the vet. You need to know exactly what worm you are dealing with so that you can determine how long the eggs are shed in the feces (if they are shed) and the lifecycle of the parasite. If you intro too early and there are still infectious agents in the feces you can bet that you will have another rat with worms. All worms/parasites have different lifecycles and different hosts for each stage. Chances are, if you have adult worms in the GIT, you are going to have eggs shed too, and before you intro you will want to make sure that the eggs are taken care of.

ETA: Although Ivermectin may take care of the eggs too!
 
Go to Dr Munn, I just wanted you to know what they would likely do to treat it. Most rats have pin worms but this is more of an infestation and actually affects the rat.
 

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