Abscess or otherwise? (Update page 3)

[lilspaz68]

baytril and doxy, at 10 mg/kg and 5 mg/kg, for 2-3 weeks.

 

[Exodog]

baytril and doxy, at 10 mg/kg and 5 mg/kg, for 2-3 weeks.

This is for the URI, correct? Any suggestions for abscess/tumour?

ETA: Thank you lilspaz!

 

[Exodog]

UPDATE:
Convinced Allan to get him out here for a 5:30 appointment.
I'm making a little fact sheet to take in with me just in case. So far I have Baytril and Doxy at 10 and 5 mg/kg for 2-3 weeks.

 

[lilspaz68]

tumor? not a lot you can do. Abscess you can damp compress with warm water to see if it comes to a head, then bursts. After that Allan must flush out that nasty smelly abscess cavity twice a day with saline until it heals up to the surface.

The URI is what is concerning me. Old boys get sick and can die quickly

 

[Exodog]

That's what has me worried too. I didn't want to, but I had to resort to scaring Allan into getting Moog to the vet. As I said before, I was the one to take care of the ladies before they passed away, so he didn't see the rapid downward spiral like I did.

 

[smilez_n_hugs]

A fine needle aspiration of the lump can help to determine if it's an abscess or tumor.

 

[Exodog]

A fine needle aspiration of the lump can help to determine if it's an abscess or tumor.

Thanks.
Just got an estimate from the vet - it's about $100 for the procedure, and can take a while for the results to come back.
I spoke with one of the girls there, and she said with location and description she would guess it's a tumour too. I'll see what the vet says about it before we decide whether or not to do the FNA.

Also, I mentioned Baytril and Doxy to her, and she said that while it is an option, they have ABS that are much safer for rodents. It's the same stuff they gave Eloise when she was ill. It's called Enrofloxacin, and is given at 0.12cc orally 2 times daily. Does this sound familiar to anyone but me? It definitely helped Eloise, but I want to be certain he's getting the safest and most effective ABS.

 

[lilspaz68]

A fine needle aspiration of the lump can help to determine if it's an abscess or tumor.

Thanks.
Just got an estimate from the vet - it's about $100 for the procedure, and can take a while for the results to come back.
I spoke with one of the girls there, and she said with location and description she would guess it's a tumour too. I'll see what the vet says about it before we decide whether or not to do the FNA.

Also, I mentioned Baytril and Doxy to her, and she said that while it is an option, they have ABS that are much safer for rodents. It's the same stuff they gave Eloise when she was ill. It's called Enrofloxacin, and is given at 0.12cc orally 2 times daily. Does this sound familiar to anyone but me? It definitely helped Eloise, but I want to be certain he's getting the safest and most effective ABS.

Ohhhh dear. :laugh4:

Baytril IS Enrofloxacin...now I am concerned at their real knowledge. :roll:

Insist on the doxycycline, so they don't just blow you off with baytril.

http://www.rmca.org/Articles/dchart.htm

 

[Exodog]

Ohhhh dear. :laugh4:

Baytril IS Enrofloxacin...now I am concerned at their real knowledge. :roll:

Insist on the doxycycline, so they don't just blow you off with baytril.

I'll insist on Doxy. She was only one of the techs who does more dog/cat work than rodent. She said they give the Baytril to big dogs and it would have to be diluted. The Enrofloxacin is pre-mixed apparently.

 

[Exodog]

So I'm leaving in 15 minutes to go wait for Allan and Moog at the bus station. Any last-minute advice/information I should take to the vet?

 

[Exodog]

And I'm off for now. I'll try to check in again in a bit.

 

[Moon]

Just got an estimate from the vet - it's about $100 for the procedure, and can take a while for the results to come back.
I spoke with one of the girls there, and she said with location and description she would guess it's a tumour too. I'll see what the vet says about it before we decide whether or not to do the FNA.

Can't imagine what they'd have to get results back on. Either it's an abscess and full of puss, or it's not.

 

[lilspaz68]

Just got an estimate from the vet - it's about $100 for the procedure, and can take a while for the results to come back.
I spoke with one of the girls there, and she said with location and description she would guess it's a tumour too. I'll see what the vet says about it before we decide whether or not to do the FNA.

Can't imagine what they'd have to get results back on. Either it's an abscess and full of puss, or it's not.

For the unitiated, an FNA is a fine needle aspiration. A fine needle is put into the lump and they see if they can pull anything out of it. Solid means a mass/tumour, pus means abscess, cystic material means a cyst. Doesn't take long.

 

[Exodog]

Update:
Sorry for the minimal update;
Went to the vet and got the Enrofloxacin right away, with the Doxycycline coming in a few days.
She told us the mass is not a massive worry, and her main concern is the URI. Told us to keep an eye on the mass for now and try hot compress to see if anything happens.

 

[Joanne]

Exodog, did you get the scoop on the fine needle aspiration? You put the needle in the lump and pull back. If the syringe fills with pus, you know it's an abscess. If nothing comes out, then it's usually a solid mass, and probably a tumor. It can be done very quickly and is very helpful. No lab report necessary, it's 'down and dirty'. LOL
It may also start to resolve when you get the antibiotics going.

 

[Exodog]

It may also start to resolve when you get the antibiotics going.

The vet said that as well; she recommended trying hot compress and antibiotics first on the off chance that it is an abscess. Even if it is a tumour she wouldn't recommend anything more than a little TLC and a careful watch on the size at this point (she's also reluctant to give him anaesthetics for any kind of surgery while he has a URI). She said if it grows in the next week, bring him back in when I go with all of the other ratties, otherwise it's not immediately necessary to do an FNA.