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LadyGray

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As some of you may know I recently lost one of my girls to this. Because all my Ratties are sisters, I was worried the same thing would happen to them. And sure, enough on of them (Griff) has just started getting porphyrin, which Queenie did when she first started feeling poorly. How will I know for sure its PT? how early on should I give the rats meds for it? and what is PT exactly, come to think of it?? I know roughly but if anyone has any useful experience or links etc, do share!

Oh, sorry if there's tons of other posts on this, I couldn't find anything through the forum search for some reason.
 
Rats have porphyrin when they are stressed or feeling ill.
It isn't directly related to pt so you will want to watch her and see if she seems ill ...
It could indicate many different things, including a respir. infection.
How is her breathing, when you hold her up to your ear and listen to both sides of her chest does she sound conjested, etc.

PT = Pituitary Tumor
 
Pituitary Tumors

The second most common type of tumor in female rats is an adenoma (benign tumor) of the pituitary gland, which lies beneath the brain. In fact, this is probably the third most common cause of death in female rats. The incidence in my unspayed female rats has been 20% and in my male rats 7%.

As the tumor grows it presses on the brain and eventually causes neurological impairment. Symptoms may appear slowly, over a period of a few days or a few weeks, or quickly. These tumors are highly vascular and in some cases they can hemorrhage, which can cause acute severe symptoms, such as paralysis, seizures and death. It also seems that a slight hemorrhage from the tumor can cause symptoms that later clear up.

For a typical pituitary tumor causing a slow onset of symptoms, the usual first symptom is a loss of coordination, followed by some loss of function of the arms and legs and mouth. Sometimes the rat is hyperactive, and she may walk in circles and run into objects. Some rats with pituitary tumors become very infant-like and cuddly and must be hand-fed.

One symptom that is common with a pituitary tumor is a quite distinctive posture: first the front, then the hind legs are held out stiffly forward and cannot be flexed by the rat. When you pick the rat up, the arms and legs will often be held forward, although sometimes the hands are curled. Another behavior that is common is when a rat butts her head up against your hand when you pet her.

Neurological symptoms, including seizures, a head tilt, circling, and lethargy, can also have other causes, such as a stroke, toxins, encephalitis, or an inner ear infection (head tilt). Fortunately, the recommended treatment for neurological impairment from any cause is with prednisone at 1 mg/lb twice a day and an antibiotic. These can reduce the size of a pituitary tumor and temporarily relieve the symptoms, but the treatment doesn’t always help. In one case, prednisone did not help but dexamethasone did help.

If the treatment is going to help, you should see improvement in the symptoms within a week. The treatment then needs to be continued for the rest of the rat’s life. I know of a few cases where this treatment was able to give a good quality life to the rat for 3 to 10 months. If despite treatment the rat is no longer able to eat, she should be euthanized.

written by Debbie Ducommun, author of the Rat Health Care book (http://www.ratfanclub.org)
copied from : http://ratfanclub.org/tumors.html


Also see this article from the Rat Health Guide: http://ratguide.com/health/neoplasia/pi ... _tumor.php

and this thread by jorats: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=2288
 
My vet published a paper on PT since all of ours were dying from it. There is a new drug called Carbergoline that can actually shrink the tumour but it's super expensive.
 
jorats said:
My vet published a paper on PT since all of ours were dying from it. There is a new drug called Carbergoline that can actually shrink the tumour but it's super expensive.

Obviously though the outcome is still the same?
 
My vet told me about a treatment when my girl was diagnosed (it may have been the one mentioned above, I can't remember). Unfortunately the sample population was something like 6 rats, AND the cost was around $200.00 per month.
I chose not to use it since a sample size of 6 rats was just to small for me to justify spending that much on drugs per month. In my opinion, with a sample size that small, the study results really were not accurate. More research and testing really was needed.
 
On Rat Guide, case study number two is from Shelagh and is a more "classic" example of symptoms to look for (according to Shelagh!). Hope you can find some more information andFigure out what's going on with your girl.

This is also a great series of pictures showing PT signs: viewtopic.php?p=117989
 
Rachael said:
jorats said:
My vet published a paper on PT since all of ours were dying from it. There is a new drug called Carbergoline that can actually shrink the tumour but it's super expensive.

Obviously though the outcome is still the same?

With the drug? Nope, some rats have lived long lives symptom free, like they never had it. But they must remain on the drug.
 

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