Possible PT? getting old or something else? -- Iris is gone

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myac

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I'm going to say likely more than is needed, but I want to be sure all possible contributing factors to my girly's behaviour are accounted for.

My aging little girl Iris recently lost her two sisters and cagemates/bestfriends.
Lily was pts a little over a month ago and Clover died in the cage during the day while no one was home about a week ago.

Although the vet never could definitively diagnose either Lily or Clover's causes of death, Lily had a facial tumor that we think may have been cancerous and after having done much research, I believe Clover had a pituitary tumor.

Iris has always been healthy. She was happy, healthy and popcorning around in the days before Clover's death. She loved to play and explore and climb and sit on your shoulder. She hated being held for long because there was so much to do! She was always too energetic to cuddle for more than a minute. The only thing that seemed wrong before Clover passed was that Iris was breathing a bit heavy. While this concerned me some, it didn't seem to bother her any, so I let it be.
The day Clover died, Iris seemed ok. The next day, she acted sad, as you would expect from one that is in mourning. Now, however, there are many more symptoms I have discovered...

-----Iris has been very listless and lethargic, she never goes up any of the levels in the cage anymore and I often find her dragging herself around on her tummy instead of walking (Note: she does still use her hind legs, but not much if she can help it). She no longer tries to catch herself when she's slipping off something (ie: my shoulder or the couch); she has lost her appetite even when her favorite foods are given to her, she has no interest in doing anything (I can pick up any part of her, arm, leg, head, and move it and she doesn't care, she's not grooming nearly as much), she's sneezing quite a lot with a fair amount of porphyrin, she also has what looks like blood in her urine and her stools don't look like they used to. One last thing I just remembered: Iris will sometimes end up rolling on to her back and laying there for hours. She will even let me tickle her tummy and she doesn't move. This is very uncharacteristic as she used to hate being on her back and would jump up and run away if you tickled her tummy.
So far I can see nothing wrong with her body (no tangible tumors or wounds) but there has to be something wrong. Iris is not pushing my hand away when I pet her head like Clover did in the days before her death and she is also not having balance problems like Clover was. Iris does still brux and boggle as well.

I took her to the vet today and all he said to me was that she is congested and gave me baytril for myco.
I know that can't possibly be the solution to all these things and I am very worried. I have been home with Iris for the last 3 days and I hold her constantly, taking her wherever I go, only putting her in the cage for 15 mins at a time to go potty and then tucking her in before I go to bed.

If anyone has any idea what this could be and how I can fix it, I would so appreciate it.
I love my girly so much! Sometimes more than my b/f. :) I need her to get better!

PS - Iris just turned 2yrs old. I have had her and both her blood-related sisters since they could be parted from their mom.

PPS - Sorry if this is in the wrong place. I figured since it's mostly behavioural I'd put it here.. upon re-reading it, I'm not sure where it should be!
 
Little update:
This morning Iris was good & took her medicine. She also ate about 2 teaspoons of oatmeal.

She is moving a tiny bit more than yesterday (I'm thinking cuz of food in her tummy :) ) but she developed a twitch that's almost like a mini seizure! Sometimes her tail (once it was her arm) will suddenly and violently twitch for no apparent reason. She is not moving when this happens but she's not always asleep, either.
 
Foreleg.
Another 2 things I just noticed:
1) Iris was making weird grunting noises as she breathes. She's done it twice for about 3-6 breaths.
2) Her hind legs sometimes become stiff and/or feel like they are having tiny muscle spasms.
 
myac said:
Foreleg.
Another thing I just noticed: Iris was making weird grunting noises as she breathes. She's done it twice for about 3-6 breaths.

You think its noise not respiratory? If so it could be discomfort. Do you have any pain meds on hand?
 
I've never heard it before. I really don't know.

I have some metacam in the fridge that's about 2 months old.
 
It sounds to me like your girl might have a combo of things. She's definitely grieving. But having a bladder infection (blood in urine) is extremely painful and that can make her listless and dragging herself as well as loss of appetite. The Baytril should help with that.
The twitching... that can be related to old age or it could also be a tumour pressing either on the spine or in the brain. I'd see about getting her on pred.
Oh, something I just thought about. Baytril can cause seizures in animals that are prone to it.
 
Thanks again to lilspaz68. The info you gave me in chat really helped me to feel better about doing all I could for Iris. I'm glad she took the metacam even though I have no idea if/how much it helped since she's acting the same. I'll keep it up & see what happens.

I agree with you, too, Joanne. I think it's a combination of things. When I am able to get some (either tonight or tomorrow) I will be feeding her baby formula or Ensure so she keeps her strength up. She doesn't seem to mind taking anything from a syringe when I put it in her mouth but she won't eat or drink on her own. I've been giving her water & juice to keep her hydrated, but I have very little in the cupboards so that's all I can do for now.

Question: Is there any harm in giving her prednisone (sp?) if she doesn't have a tumor? And can anyone ballpark the cost of it?
 
Iris's "grunting" that I mentioned earlier is definitely respiratory distress. She only has a few breaths a minute that have no sound associated with them. I can hear her loud & clear and feel her abdomen vibrate when she breathes like that.

She took her medicine today like a trooper but has eaten only the oatmeal this morning and .4cc's of a peanut butter & milk concoction I made with borrowed peanut butter this evening. She drank about 5ml of water/juice today as well. Poor girl is in rough shape. She scared my b/f half to death at one point when he thought she wasn't breathing at all. :(

I am calling the vet tomorrow to see if there's anything else I can do. Til then I'll be with her doing the same stuff.

EDIT: Iris is not breathing mostly through her mouth so far. Occasionally she opens it as if to clear something from the back of her throat and twice today she took a breath through her mouth, but hasn't been consistently doing it.
 
My poor little girl...
breathing thru mouth now but not wide open-mouthed... yet :( going to vet in a few hours.
I hope to god they can help her
 
Mya is my niece. I dropped her and Iris off at the vet a couple hours ago... I am sorry to report that little Iris lost the battle with her little body. I am sure Mya will fill you all in on the details later.
 
Iris didn't make it home from the vet today. :cry4:

Iris's breathing went downhill fairly quickly after my last post. I tried steaming up the bathroom and sitting with her in there for 5 minutes at a time and it helped enough to seemingly stabilize her as long as I kept doing it every half hour.
I called the vet to make an appointment (all they could give me was late afternoon) and ended up taking Iris in a few hours early because she was not improving at all anymore.
We had to wait about half an hour for the doctor to come out of an emergency surgery before he could see us. Fortunately the lab assistants understood enough to get us in to see him before anyone else. Unfortunately, it wasn't soon enough.
About 5 mins before the doctor was to come see Iris, she stopped breathing very suddenly. Then she started to seize trying desperately to get air. We hollered for the vet but it was too late for him to do anything but give her something to put her over the edge and out of her misery. :sad3:

I bawled like a baby and still can't help crying as I type this. Iris was a such sweetheart and so were her sisters. I can't imagine having had any better children. My heart feels broken and I don't know what to do with myself. I did practically everything with my girls. And every time I look at their empty cage I start crying again. I miss them horribly. Two years ago, I had never considered that anyone would keep rats as pets. Now I don't know what I'm going to do without my girls.

They were my first and my last rats since I'm so allergic to them, but I loved them like children and can only hope they knew it. :heart:
 
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