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ErikEzrin

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Heya everybody! I am new to the forums (I also posted an introduction), and ALSO new to ratties.

I have two female rats in a three-level cage (I will post pics later if you guys want me to) right next to my bed in my bedroom (because I do most work there, and the living room is often very noisy)
A friend kind of made me jump into it, which caused me to make a lot of errors initially (like just getting one rat. From a pet shop!), I regret it now... but no crying over spilt milk, I'm just trying to approach things better now. My second rat was a rescue rat, because I couldn't find a breeder without a ridiculous waiting list and didn't want to support pet shops and their practices another time. The introduction went well, and they live quite happily together now.

However, the questions I have are regarding things such as behaviour, body language and handling. I learned a lot about the factual stuff a rat needs to be happy (such as cage size, toys, diet, etc.), but because I have no prior experience with rats or even other animals aside goldfish and rabbits, I find it hard to interpret their body language etc.

They are both curious, but not used to handling at all. They eat treats from my hands just fine, though Snoopy (the smaller one) tends to bite my fingers (not as in, drawing blood). I tried to pet and pick up Zelda (the bigger one) a couple times when she was still alone, which completely erased the little bit of trust she had started to gain for me (even though I did it very gently in a non-forceful way), so I am kind of scared to attempt socialising with them again now. So first question... how do I know a rat is ready for the "next step" such as petting etc.? And how can I see whether they like me or not? Also because they bit me a few times in the beginning I am extra cautious with them.

On terms of biting: when is a bite actually a "go away"-bite and when is it playing/grooming/tasting?

And my room itself isn't rat-proof. I am planning to create big cardboard "walls" so I can put them down on the floor... but in the meantime, if I'd let them out on my arm/shoulder/chair/bed, how likely are they to jump off and start chewing on stuff?

I just want the best for my ratties, and I most of all want both of us (me AND the ratties) to stop being scared of each other (I am a bit scared of them too, because I find it hard to gauge what they want/feel), so I can take them out for indoor shoulder-rides and out-of-cage play and snuggle time.

Sorry for the long and (maybe?) chaotic post, but thanks in advance for any help and tips :)
Cheers,
Erik
 
When a rat bites, you will know it! Its going to bleed and look like a crime scene. That being said I'm betting your rats haven't actually bit you. Rats rarely bite for no reason. I've had about 20 now in the past 2 - 2 1/2 years had have only been bitten by 2 and both I saw coming and were my fault. If your rat puffs up and becomes a big puff ball with fur standing up, back off.
If you have the cage close to your bed and you can leave a door open while you are there that would be a good place to start and let them come out on their own. Rats rarely jump off furniture, beds, etc. They have bad eyesight and aren't going to make a jump they aren't sure of. You can try the sweatshirt method. Take a sweatshirt or hoodie and put it on over your shirt and put the rats in between to hang out with you. Keep wearing the same shirt - dedicate a shirt to your rats so they get familiar with the smell.
When you go to get them scoop them up rather than grabbing for them. I talk to my skittish ones and let them know I'm going to pick them up and then I give them a small treat when they let me and another when I put them back. You can play with them in the bathtub too.
Rats really are the best pet around. Train them to come to their name with small treats. There is no reason to be afraid of them. Licking and grooming you is the highest sign of affection they can give you - you have been accepted as a rat!
 
Thanks for the reply, and yes... if that is actual biting, then they haven't actually bit me indeed. It didn't even hurt, just once it hurt a TINY bit and left tiny tiny marks, but she didn't bite through. But it doesn't feel like a "friendly" bite to me either... more like "wtf is that big thing. I am not terribly scared but I don't like it either." and I am a bit afraid if I keep my hands in front of them (or actually her, as only Snoopy is doing it) she will bite harder the next time. Okay, I guess I'm a bit too paranoid, lol :')
They also never got puffy with me, the 'worst' they have done is scurry away from me or run away if I make a sudden movement.

Thanks for the tip on the sweatshirt thing, I will definitely try that (once the temperatures drop below 30 degrees C. Pfff summer....)

When I open the door they are very curious and definitely want to come out, especially if I offer them a treat, but I haven't yet because I wasn't sure whether they might jump into my room and get lost or chew on cables (my floor is riddled with them. My room also has lots of hidey holes, so once they get on the floor... I'm screwed! Lol), I really want to take them out though, as even though they have a rather big cage, even the biggest cage gets boring in a while, and if I just wanted to look at them I'd have gotten a bunch of fish.

Maybe I can try to open the cage and let them 'walk onto' my hand, rather than try to grab them? (I didn't even try by the way, as the second time I handled Zelda when I just got her she pooped all over the place in fear, which kinda shocked me)

And I know I shouldn't be afraid, I don't even get why I am. When I first got them it was all fine, but when they showed (probably mild) signs of stress and fear I got a bit spooked too, like what if they bite me, or what if they grow more and more scared of me... argh, I just feel such a rookie now, lol.
But yeah, my dad has a hair allergy, so I never had pets aside from goldfish and rabbits (those were outside and thus were ok), and sometimes I really wish someone with experience could sit next to me as I try to handle them, and tell me whether it's going well or not, because I find it very hard to see :/

But I'm not giving up, I am sure that with time I will learn to understand them better, and they (hopefully) will start to like me more as well.
 
Rats are very skittish and loud noises, sudden movements will scare them. Offer them the back of your hand not your fingers. They have bad eyesight especially if their eyes are red or ruby so they may nip your finger when going for food/treats - its just cause they miss judged the food or your hand smelled like food. If they nip too hard, squeek yes, making an eeking noise like they do when they wrestle. That let's them know it hurts.
 
They don't have red/ruby eyes, they have dark eyes with blue outer edges, Zelda is a husky, and slightly larger (possibly also older. I am not sure, as the petshop people had no idea :/), and Snoopy black hooded with a white stripe, like this one: http://bcspcapets.shelterbuddy.com/photos/lostfound/229128_th_600.jpg and slightly smaller.

Those are some good tips, I'll try them out. So far I have only offered them my fingers/palm, and especially Snoopy tends to nip (softly, but not friendly either) at them. I can feed Zelda soft foods from my fingers, no probs, but Snoopy tends to nip me when I do so. When I give her soft foods on a spoon she doesn't even attempt to nip and just licks too, so I really feel like it's directed specifically towards me, and doesn't have anything to do with my fingers smelling like food (Well, they do, cause they have food on them, but they know it's lick-food and not bite-food). It could be because Zelda has been with me about a week longer, and I only got Snoopy just a few days ago (today it's four days)

And I already thought that slight squeaking was normal yeah. They tend to be lazy during midday, and go TOTAL FRENZY during midnight and morning. Usually during the night they are wrestling a lot (I can know, cause I sleep right next to them), maybe because at that time they have more energy than during the day (as they are dawn/dusk/night animals), and I'm not there to distract them.
When I first put them together it worried me, lol, cause it really sounded like they were fighting. But no blood was spilt, and the next days I found them happily lying in a hammock together XD so it was just fun n games.
 
Yeah, thanks, I think this is more an issue with me rather than with the rats, hahaha, cause it appears I am needlessly afraid for things (that they might bite, that I might stress them out/frighten them), while my rats are quite at ease already. It's stupid, because I wasn't even slightly afraid at first... I think I picked it up in the beginning, when I felt like I did everything wrong and my (then still single) rat Zelda was stressed out and bored. Now I just gotto give myself a butt kick and get over it, lol.
 

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