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Unepuce

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On January 15, I brought home 2 little 5 month old sisters.

Cookie, has a very large eye that I know I will eventually have to get removed (it is being treated as an abcess, but after a month, still no improvement :?). Plus, I found out about 2 weeks ago that I will have to get her teeth cut on a regular basis... poor little baby. Cookie is very social and playful, she will tease other rats, especially Lili, to the point where they lose patience and snap at her. She looks like she wants to be alpha, but the second she is told "no you're not", she runs away and hide. During out time, she runs everywhere and nowhere, happy, like she doesn't have a care in the world. Here's Cookie:



Biscotte is totally different. She is very shy, very nervous, very fearful of all rats but her sister. She trusts her humans, and will spend most of her out time hidden behind a cushion or squished to one of her humans. After a while, she will become a social butterfly and will follow her sister along and try and tease the other girls. Here's Biscotte:



As I posted earlier in my successfull intro post, my crew has been living together for a week now. My two boys are getting along pretty well (they are sharing the big house with my older girls since last evening), my two older girls are no issue at all, Biscotte and Cookie get along perfectly well together but - ever since I started intro, there's been that thing between Lili and Cookie that does not resorb. I suspect Cookie to challenge Lili as the alpha female, but I am not knowledgeable enough to know for sure. Not one day passes without a few fights and althought I try to supervise when I'm around, I do my best not to intervene and let them resolve things on their own. To me, 2 weeks seems like a long time, but hey, I'm willing to give them all the time they need. My real issue is somewhere else...

My pushy Cookie and fearful Cocotte are being singled out. After everyone moved into the big CN, it soon became obvious that my old crew would live in the top cage, and the new girls in the bottom one. The ones on the top would go down once in a while, but never really stay (besides Pollux, who was living with the newbies for a week before I opened up the cage) and Cookie will go up to explore but never stay to sleep. Biscotte... well... Biscotte goes in the top cage when I pick up her and bring her for breakfast and supper.

Did I bring everyone together too fast? How can I get Cookie and Biscotte to relax - Cookie to stop provoking the other rats and Biscotte to stop being scared of them? Now that my 4 olders are sleeping together in the big house on the top floor, seeing my two little girls in their Spoutnik on the bottom pan just breaks my heart...
 
I am sorry. I had that same issue. Dopey was terrified, I tried for weeks to change it and I had no luck. It did not change. I would give it time to see, but follow your heart. I stopped mine because it was not fair to dopey to be in a rat jail. Maybe try some more bonding moments? put them together on your shoulder? some food they have to share?

I hope it works for you, I know how that feels.
 
At least they have each other for company so they're not completely on their own. I would let it continue as long as there aren't bloody fights
 
They need more time to build up confidence and for the alpha to tell them it's ok to join them. I wouldn't worry too much about it... not yet.
 
Thank you ladies for your support...

Jo - how long should I wait before worrying? It already seemed a bit better last night, but I try not to keep my hopes up too much...
 
If there's no real fighting I would just wait it out. It happened to me too, the three little brothers stayed in their corner for quite a while before integrating with the colony. They would run and sneak the blocks back to their corner. But at dinner time I would have them all eating in the same plate. (something yummy they had to stay there to eat). Good luck with your sweeties.
 
For me, there is no turning back, once in they are in the cage and nobody is cutting up anyone, they stay together no matter what... and eventually, usually doesn't take more than 2 weeks and they are all happy together.
 
Hopefully, Lili will stop chasing the girls some time next week then. It actually looks like it's getting a bit better - sometimes, she won't tolerate them on the top part of the Double CN, but I do see my newbies up there more and more, even Biscotte, who is by far the shyest. And on the cute side, they were getting noisy destroying something this morning at 5:45 am, so I got up to see what was happening - just to find my newbies snuggling with my Ratosaurus and ex-cagemate Pollux in the Spoutnik on the top portion of the cage.

Then Lili was chasing them again shortly before I left to work, but well... I guess I just need to let her be!

I love those little monsters so much... never thought I had that much love inside me - so reassuring! :love7:
 

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