intros stressing maz, do i continue or give it a break?

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temblabamomo

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Maz started acting odd before Christmas - jumpy, unplayful (but not lethargic), frightened - and would wake up some mornings with a bit of staining that alternated between eyes. Everyone saw the vet just before Christmas to get current weights and a dose of Revolution, and the vet also put Maz on doxy and baytril, just to nip any arising illness in the bud.

Within a couple days, Maz seemed like himself. We were never sure what caused his stress in the first place - several short visits/intros with new rat Obie, or the tiny Christmas tree that was set up in my room just before his symptoms showed (he would stare at it in fear and then spend entire playtimes hiding under a blanket.) I relocated the tree and ceased his exposure to Obie, he started meds, he got back to normal.

I have now been re-attempting intros between him and Obie. So far they have not gone badly, but they're not exactly best pals yet either. Mostly they just get as far away from one another as possible and hunker down and wait to be put back in their respective cages. Obie's cage has been moved closer to the trio's cage, everyone is smelling each other on my hands and clothing, being neighbors, and now having playtime in one anothers' respective play areas, as well as a bit of exploring of each others' cages. I felt with all of this and the time that has gone by, Maz should now at least be used to Obie's smell.

The past few days, when Maz has been out, he's acting all odd again. I can only think that he now smells Obie in his play area. I will wash everything and put down new blankets and towels during the next play session and hopefully see some difference in behavior. But really, Obie has been living in the same room with the other guys for at least a month now. They've always been aware of each other's presence.

Shouldn't Maz be used to Obie's smell by now? The other guys aren't acting like this. They obviously hear and smell Obie. Max puffs up like a cheezypoof if he gets a glimpse of Obie. Morrissey just bounces around and doesn't seem bothered at all. I suppose the thing to do is move Obie's cage away and get his scent out of the boys' play area, just to confirm that this is what's freaking Maz out. He's still on his antibiotics and not showing the staining around the eyes, or any other signs of illness. He just acts scared all the time when he's in the play area. He and Obie have not had any violent encounters that would leave Maz traumatized. I just don't get it. Is he going to go into a fright and hunker down for hours every time he gets a whiff of the other guy, or what?

I'm torn between ceasing his exposure to Obie, or pushing on with the intros. Maz is my little sweet pea and I miss his affectionate, silly antics. I want him to feel comfortable when he's in his play area. What do I do?
 
If Maz was mine, I'd continue intros as well as leave Obie in the room. Maz will be stressed but it's not exactly a bad stress, more of a stimulation. I'd keep him on meds. Maz might also be reacting to Max's reaction to Obie's smell. Do you know who's alpha in your colony?
 
I was thinking as much. It seems silly to keep getting halfway through the intro process only to quit as soon as Maz gets freaked out. Max is definitely our alpha, but up until Obie arrived Max wasn't really acting the part, he and the other boys seemed pretty equal. Obie seems equally wary/frightened of Maz when they are out together, although he is fine once he sees Maz is back in his own cage. It's just a bit odd to have 2 rats out who aren't very familiar with one another, and having them both hide. I thought having them share a dish of yogurt might help them learn they needn't fear one another, but they both decided they'd rather go hungry than go anywhere near one another. Perhaps it is just going to take much longer than I thought.
 
It might take longer for sure. Maybe yogurt is not enticing enough? Mine wouldn't budge for yogurt, have you tried mashed up bananas?
 
I may try that. I've offered pieces of banana to everyone (but Obie) in the past and they just look at me like "Whaddya want us to do with this?" But maybe I can come up with something that is both too tasty to resist, and comes in mushy, non-transportable form.

My only other idea is to have Morrissey and Maz out with Obie at the same time. Morrissey has no issues with Obie, but he's also not terribly interested in interacting with him either. Obie is quite frightened of him. On the one hand, perhaps Maz will see his brother is unafraid, and therefor he should not be afraid either. On the other hand, I do not want Obie to have the stress of 2 new rats frightening him instead of just 1.
 
Yes, we have been using a sofa that the rats have previously never been allowed on. Eventually I tried using Maz's usual play area; I know it didn't help Obie much, but I was hoping Maz would at least be more comfortable there. Didn't seem to make much difference, except now Obie's scent is probably all over that area (my bed). Maz was actually more active when I took them into the other room to hang out on the living room sofa, Obie's usual place. Obie seemed no more comfortable there though, and once Maz got over the initial curiosity of a new room, I guess he remembered that he's decided to be afraid of Obie, and just kind of hunkered over in the corner. I hope I haven't made a mess of these intros by trying different places. It just doesn't seem to matter to these two whether they're on their home turf or "enemy territory". And Maz took to Max so quickly when they were intro'd; I thought he'd be a great ambassador for the family. Oy.
 
The fact that these rats are not out right attacking each other is a good sign that you did not make a mess of it.:)
Can you recap their ages and who is living with who? Only 3 rats in total?
 
4 boys - Obie, Maz, Max & Morrissey (having so many with M names makes it confusing, sorry)

Obie is the only one living separate. The 3 Ms all share a cage.
Obie might be nearing 2...not sure, but that's my guesstimate. He is intact.
Max I'd put somewhere between 12 and 18 mos. Also intact. Nice to the little boys but extremely aggressive towards Obie.
Morrissey & Maz are about 7 months now, both neutered.

When I brought Max home the other Ms took to him right away. Dunno why they're not buddying up with Obie.
 
I figure Max has a thing for Obie is because he's intact. But I would still continue intros. You never know, one day that might surprise you and become friends.
 

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