Full tail amputation or euthanasia?

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Skylos

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My rat Skylos is about 20 months old, male, and otherwise healthy except for the occasional myco flareup. He had a small bump on his tail that wasn't bothering him or a big deal, and it stayed as it was for months. Then it got a bit bigger and formed a scab, the scab was either chewed or came off, and so I put him on anti-biotics to prevent infection. It got infected anyway so I took him to the vet, and they said carry on with the antibiotics (baytril) and also dress the wound. It just got worse, and bigger.

I took him to the vet again and they took a swab which was sent to the lab and cultured so we could find out what the infection was and better target the antibiotics. Unfortunately, his next symptoms occured over the recent double bank holiday and the vet was closed for 5 consecutive days, as was the lab we were waiting for results from. This was a lump on one side of his groin area (possibly a swollen lymph node, possibly a tumour) and swollen feet. The foot swelling carried on until they were four times their normal size, and this totally interfered with his mobility - he couldn't walk like this.

When the vet opened I called but my vet was on personal leave, and the vet I spoke to was not very helpful. Also, the lab result showed no growth that would explain the tail. I asked for different antibiotics and also for pain meds and anti inflamatories - trimethoprim-sulfa, prednisone, and strong pain meds - which were prescribed. The swelling reduced in his feet allowing some mobility again, but also some sores appeared on them with a small amount of hard-ish greeny yellow pus, and the joint is still a bit swollen and stiff. The lump in his groin remained exactly the same and the tail continued to get worse.

I took him in again when I noticed that there was a line of infection spreading down his tail, with a green pusy looking line further down his tail too. The vet took samples from the lump (she found lymphatic tissue and white blood cells) from his feet, and from his tail (she saw what she expected but also some uniformly abnormal cells that she did not recognize). Maybe cancerous? Now the tail is turning black at the end (quite far from the now huge lump, but a couple of inches of it are turning black from the tip up. The vet isn't happy to amputate the tail because the prognosis isn't good enough with the other problems he has, but we don't know what is causing that or whether it is even related.

What on earth should I do now? Is there something someone has heard of that could explain all these symptoms? I've given all medication as instructed and it isn't helping, and I don't know why. Now I am meant to be going away for 10 days (in two days time) and I can't leave him knowing that he could deteriorate while I'm gone. The tail is disgusting and smells and is just getting bigger and worse, but the vet is right to be concerned about his ability to go through surgery, recover, and adapt, with other problems that may or may not be connected. They have advised euthanasia. Advice? Words of wisdom?

Thank you.
 
there are 2 ways to post pics, if you have a photo-hosting site like Photobucket you can copy and paste the links from there.

Or at the bottom of this window is a "Click here to add an image to your post" and then you can add a pic that is saved on your computer rather than a website. Yes I too would like to see this.
 
If you have tried with antibiotics then it needs a different one than what you have tried. I believe clavamox is good for skin problems and I think SMZ/TMP. I would be trying something else even if it was just a soak in some epson salt.
 
Well I looked at the pics and once I figured out oldest to most recent I looked at them properly. If a surgery had been attempted a week or more ago, you probably would've been okay with an amputation but in that last pic you see that the necrotizing has gone up past the "wound" and there's no more healthy tail left. An amputation has to go above the affected tissue where there is only healthy, but at this point there's no healthy left. I am terribly sorry but I think you are going to have to euthanize him ((hugs))
 
I have been bathing (almost) daily in epsom salts. And having tried two different antibiotics I guess the vet didn't see much further use - not sure why they wouldn't have mentioned that possibility?

If euthanasia is the only thing left, does anyone have any advice on how to make that decision and to know for sure that time has come - do you think I should do that right away or wait until he deteriorates a bit so that there is no small chance of recovery and it is obviously the right choice. Right now he is pulling him self about on a scavenger hunt and eating bits of cheese I've scattered for him, and bruxes like crazy every time I cuddle him - he is still getting some enjoyment out of life, so it feels wrong to do it, but if I have to at some point then should I do it before I have to go away rather than cancel my trip? Its hard to tell how much he is suffering as he seems OK but can't be with that mess of a tail.

:(
 
Rats hide pain as they are prey animals and showing pain or illness means you are automatically Lunch to any predator that sees you.

Will your vet give you metacam until he's ready to go? I have a feeling that the infection on his feet is from a systemic infection now and its gone through his body, as you can see its spreading up and down his tail.

He really cannot last much longer in my opinion, but metacam (pain relief and anti-inflammatory) will make the rest of his time a LOT more comfortable until you feel its time.

Its a terrible decision to make so you do your best, manage the pain and let him go with love before he suffers.
 
I had this going on with one of my girls...and it didn't respond at all to anything, but she was old and sick with respiratory issues so I just left it alone and it never really affected her.

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I just saw the pics and I am not sure what to say. That poor ratty must be in a lot of pain. It really breaks my heart to see it. Please understand that the poor thing really needs to be euthanized. I am so sorry :(
 
Rats are fully able to live without a tail. The only thing affected is their balance, slightly, but other than that they can survive, eat on their own, climb, and interact- so if the meds are not helping, and that is the only option except for death, by all means do it.

A tailless breed of rat even exists, actually. The problem with those is that the rats that are bred to have that often have backbone problems and dicomfort when they reach older age, but as yours is full grown, it won't be an issue. Almost all of the problems found in tailless breeds are when the ratter is born, and they do not come from a tail being removed.

Also, did you know in the wild a rat can "drop" it's tail like a lizard? It just doesn't grow back.

Picture of a ratter without a tail:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jPD1useOWIg/T ... 0/manx.jpg

Tailless breeding article:
http://www.afrma.org/taillesstrbl.htm
 
Aida...the reason I say the tail is now inoperable is the problem has spread up near the base of the tail...there is no way to have viable healthy tissue anymore for even a complete tail amputation (bottom pic on left shows it best) :sad3:
 
Wow, how sad for you and your boy. It looks like cancer to me, with all that overgrown flesh and his other weird symptoms. With so much necrotic flesh and apparent infection, he may be septic already. I'm really sorry but I think I would have him PTS before he suffers much longer... :(
 

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