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KTyne

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So I was wondering if any of you guys know anything about these apparent "dwarf rats"?
I've searched pictures and they are pretty much the size of regular baby rats and they even seem to look like baby rats.
Are they for real? Are their temperments generally the same? Are they prone to more health problems or less?

This is the first time I've heard of them!
 
Some people or pet stores call natal rats dwarf rats when they aren't rats at all. Here in Montreal, there was half a dozen rats abandoned in boxes outside a suburban SPCA and two of the females were full grown but tiny.

This is Momma, with her two week litter:
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The pictures I took do not do justice to how truly tiny she was. smallvic adopted her two sons and although bigger than she is, full grown they are tiny boys. If I had to guess, I would say Momma weighed in at a whopping 180g and her sons at 320g.

This is Bandit (capped girl) with the third girl abandoned that day Amy (agouti hooded) and some of my beast during intros:
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She is also quite small (although nothing like Momma) and has weighed 340g since the day she arrived. By comparison Amy, whom she lives with, weighs 480g and the tiny girl in my large colony, Oreo, who is skinnier than Bandit weighs 390g. Here's a pic of Amy, Bandit, Oreo (black dumbo hooded), and Butterscotch's nose:
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I should also note that, like all of my rats, Oreo is steadily gaining weight as she ages (5-10g per month) except Bandit who is stable.

To finish answering the question, there is no such thing as "dwarf" rats, although there can be some that are genetically programmed to be smaller. I do not know of any reputable breeder that purposely breeds rats to be "dwarf" or "giant". (I have seen "giant" rats for sale around here.) Needless to say, the suspected breeder that abandoned these rats was not reputable.
 
Ok, cause I did just read an article saying dwarf rats were "developed" in laboratory settings and then after a while they were released to a few reputable breeders (I believe this was in the states).
They are apparently 1/3 the size of regular rats, and are much more hyper. The reason they don't grow to the size of regular rats is because they have a hormone that restricts growth. These dwarf rats can apparently breed with regular sized rats, but regular sized rats won't accept the dwarfs unless they've lived with each other until birth.
I'll try to find the article again and post it on here.

Btw, I have two natal rats and they definitely don't look like the pictures they had of dwarf rats.

*edit- found it http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=1 ... opic=10373
and I have no clue if this article is valid or whatever, just thought I'd put it up to show you where I found that info. :)
 
Learn something new every day...

I think most times you hear of dwarf rats in Canada though, they are referring to natals. It seems like the dwarfs discussed in the two links are actually closer in size to natals that to rats or mice.
 
Pretty sure it said that they were the size of mice when they were little? They aren't the size of mice when full grown.. I think they'd be more the size of say a 1.5 month old regular sized rat full grown.
 
One link said they averaged between 75-120g full grown, in contrast my mice weighed between 25-40g full grown and rats 300-600g full grown, although I know there are many rats that are outside of that average.

I have to wonder why they would have bred them if they had so many issues with them being social for so many generations when "regular" sized rats are already so social. To me there is no benefit to having a smaller rats, other than an aesthetic one to some people, so I have to question what the point was.
 
I'm not sure...
I don't think I'd ever want a dwarf rat because #1 regular female rats are already a handfull being so hyper!
#2 they'd be smaller which would make it easier for them to escape and be lost!
 
I think if a rat would grow a third eye, all the breeders would scrounge trying to breed it. :roll:

Give me a big hunk of an agouti rat... :heart: There's no need to breed for abnormalities.
 
jorats said:
I think if a rat would grow a third eye, all the breeders would scrounge trying to breed it. :roll:

Give me a big hunk of an agouti rat... :heart: There's no need to breed for abnormalities.

Thank you :)
 
In the US there are true genetic dwarf rats, I do not think they have made it to Canada though. As someone else stated, they were developed in a lab, and stop growing at a certain age because the normal growth hormone is not produced. Breeders of these rats claim they are healthier, don't develop mammary tumors, live longer etc. However... then I have also heard from other sources they are riddled with health problems, ranging from normal health problems normal rats develop to serious health issue such as fragile bones making them more likely to break to even bone cancers.

There are also a lot of "smaller than normal" rats that people like to call "dwarf". These are not true genetic dwarfs though, they are just small rats, just like some people are shorter than average.

Personally, I like my normal sized, standard furred, standard eared, tailed rats. :D
 
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2779209/
I have a sneeking suspicision that our baby Alice is a dwarf rat so Ive been researching them. They are ras that have a grnetic mutation that causes.them to not make enough growth hormone or for their growth hormone to not stick. It can happen spontaneously over years of breeding according to the scientific articles about lab rats. Its literally a 'midget' rat. They are used to study cancer because they are less likely to get certain types of mammary cancer.
Our baby Alice has the fearless charateristics as well as she is half the size of our other girls (who are all small rats as it is--our biggest hasnt grown to even 1lb yet) and she weighs more then 100g less. Her sisters that we still have contact with are all the same size as she is with the exception of two (one that we have and one that her old owners have). The males all grew to normal size. According to the articlea up to 50% of the litter can be dwarf if both parents cary the mutation.
 
True genetic dwarfs are not common at all, but in Canada are truly rare indeed. Unless you know the lines and that they carry dwarf you most likely just have a very wee girl.
 

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