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temblabamomo

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I was asked over the weekend to take in a 16 month old rat. His story - dumped with his brother at the SPCA this summer, adopted by some girl, recently became single when his only cagemate died, and then given to me to hopefully have a successful intro with my boys and become part of their happy little family.

He is terribly shy, somewhat terrified of people. We think whoever dumped him at the SPCA probably originally got him from Petsmart/Petco, and maybe had small kids who mishandled him, barking dogs, etc. etc., something to make him so painfully skittish.

This is his fourth day in his new home. Since moving in, he has been having soft, foul-smelling stools. I can't decide if that's stress-related, or if there's an underlying problem. He was also very bony when he first came home. I am told he stopped eating for a day or so after his cagemate died, and when he started eating again it wasn't with the kind of gusto that rats usually eat. His former owner said he seemed depressed (hence her decision to rehome him since she couldn't adopt any more ratties at the moment) since losing his brother (who passed from a tumor, a two or three weeks ago.) In addition to being bony, his fur is also very thin, especially around the face. I haven't seen anything on him, but he's been scritchin and scratchin and I suspect some sort of parasites. I could almost swear I've seen tiny white/silvery things on his fur, but he is so terrified of being held that I haven't looked at him very well. No scabs though.

The girl who gave him to me said aside from being very shy, he was in good health. The fact that his coat was so thin and he was so bony makes me wonder if she really didn't know as much about rats as she seemed to. For all I know he's had mites or lice for months now, and I know they are capable of literally draining the life out of these creatures. I am reluctant to put any Revolution on him yet simply because of his boniness - the packaging says not to distribute it to 'malnourished' creatures, and I'm just not really sure what is going on with him yet.

My current plan is to try to put some weight on him, let him get used to his new surroundings and try to unwind, and take him to the vet on Friday for an examination. My vet has been less than outstanding in the past, but they're the best we have around here for rats, so, meh. I really want to be prepared when I go in, because I am worried about her taking a looksie at him, feeling him, looking at his ears and eyes, and saying he just needs Revolution and then sending us away and our problems with the soft stools and weight persisting. If he hasn't gained weight, and if he's still having the soft stools, what should I ask the vet to do? I'm worried she will not be up to par with testing rats for kidney or heart problems, or anything else for that matter. Should I have her do a skin scraping, or will Revolution cover all possible parasites and therefore make a skin scraping kind of pointless?

Also, what foods can I feed him to help with the mushy poo? He was being fed Oxbow, but after seeing at how half-heartedly he nibbled it, I decided to mix in some Reggie Rat, and what do you know he sits in front of the food bowl now devouring everything in sight (well, except the Oxbow). I feel so bad for this guy and am sort of trying to magically wish away underlying conditions (ha...), and hope that his low weight was just a result of not being wild enough about Oxbow to eat more of it than necessary. I've been giving him meat flavored baby food the past day or so, which disappears within mere minutes of me setting it in the cage. He's been having yogurt off my fingers as he sits in my lap during my efforts to socialize him. And he's certainly drinking enough water, not getting dehydrated on account of the soft stool. He's drinking enough to stay hydrated, but not enough to make me worry about kidney failure yet. Other suggestions for food to help him gain weight but not clog his little arteries? I already feel like he's put on a bit since I took him in, but could be just my own wishful thinking.

I guess I'm just hoping that, best case scenario, his thinness and soft stools are the products of him being so stressed by the move to my house, losing his brother, and probably having mites for some time now. But assuming that his case is a worst case scenario type thing, what should I have the vet do? What sort of things should she absolutely want to do? I'm just so worried about taking him to a stressful appointment, having the vet slap some Revolution on him, and send us away under the instructions to come back if he doesn't bulk up or his poops don't normal up, with absolutely no explanation or suggestions or hypotheses about what could be going on.
 
For now, lets go with his weight loss and poop as a result of all the changes in his life. Keep giving him the oxbow but pour some chicken broth on it to get him eating it. Reggie Rat is not a bad food either so I'd keep that as well. It might take a few weeks for his body to settle and readjust.
He might also benefit from lots of socializing. And if you have a very docile rat, I'd do intros with him just so he has a buddy around for him to visit a couple of times a day.
 
Since you aren't 100% confident in your vet it might not be worth a visit at this point since he might just need longer to settle. As for the revo, if you suspect mites I would administer it because the mites will only make matters worse. However, this is all just opinion and you have to do what you think is right in this situation, if possible pictures might help us get a better idea of his condition.
 
jorats said:
For now, lets go with his weight loss and poop as a result of all the changes in his life. Keep giving him the oxbow but pour some chicken broth on it to get him eating it. Reggie Rat is not a bad food either so I'd keep that as well. It might take a few weeks for his body to settle and readjust.
He might also benefit from lots of socializing. And if you have a very docile rat, I'd do intros with him just so he has a buddy around for him to visit a couple of times a day.

I was unsure about doing intros with him, I've only had him four days and wasn't sure how long to quarantine him (if you can really call keeping him the next room over a proper quarantine). I wash pretty thoroughly afer handling him, but my other two boys smell him and hear him anyway. They're pretty worked up over it. I want to do intros though, because I have seen the new boy perk up a lot and show a lot of life and animation when he can hear my boys squabbling or loudly chewing food in the other room. My guys are still being treated with Revolution for the recent mite problem we had, so I'm not too worried about them picking up anything from this guy. Despite his stress, I haven't seen any discharge around his eyes or nose, no sneezing or anything of that nature. One of my boys is a lot more laid back than the other. Do you think it is too soon to introduce them? I know there are other illnesses he could have, but I feel like they're all a bit unlikely.

I will try the chicken broth on the Oxbow tonight. Today is his first full day at home alone, I had a three day weekend off work and while I tried not to disturb him I couldn't help passing through about a million times throughout the day. He'd wake up everytime and go on alert and get very wide eyed and freaked out. Maybe a day of peace and quiet will be good for helping him unwind.
 
I would tend to assume that the stinky poo is from the changes in his life too. Giving him some yogurt with active cultures will help repopulate his gut with the good bacteria. To put on weight, my ratties love things like sunflower seeds and peanuts. They also go nuts for instant oatmeal and reallly like pasta too. I would give him free choice for his regular rat food, and supplement with goodies. I would want to treat him for buggies as soon as possible as you could end up with your whole colony infected, but you would be better able to judge if you think he's too frail. It may be a rough start, but I'll bet he's going to be a totally different rat in a few weeks with your care!
 
Ensure is always a winner for putting weight on a rat. Avocado, Banana - and you're doing right with the babyfood and the yogurt. Maybe a bit of scrambled egg, too. =)

I wonder if, even though he was being fed oxbow, they were feeding him lots of other stuff, because he wasn't really eating the oxbow as many rats won't. He could have icky poo because of all the crap in his gut.
 
Joanne said:
I would tend to assume that the stinky poo is from the changes in his life too. Giving him some yogurt with active cultures will help repopulate his gut with the good bacteria. To put on weight, my ratties love things like sunflower seeds and peanuts. They also go nuts for instant oatmeal and reallly like pasta too. I would give him free choice for his regular rat food, and supplement with goodies. I would want to treat him for buggies as soon as possible as you could end up with your whole colony infected, but you would be better able to judge if you think he's too frail. It may be a rough start, but I'll bet he's going to be a totally different rat in a few weeks with your care!

I went ahead and treated everybody with Revolution last night. This morning, I see a lot more eensy white specks on his fur...do lice abandon ship when Revolution is applied? We've never had lice before, so I didn't know what to expect. I'm hoping these specks are lice climbing off of him, hoping to find a new host.

We've been doing lots of yummy blueberry yogurt. While it's fat free and won't do a lot to help his weight, it's got bacterias in it, so hopefully it's helping his tummy, and it's also helping him bond with me. Sort of. I tried putting chicken broth over his Oxbow, but he wouldn't touch it. Ha, I tried it on my other boys as well, as they've been very stubborn about making the switch to Oxbow, and they too turned their noses up at it. Somehow I always seem to end up with stubborn, picky rats :?
 
Oh and also, his poops seemed a little closer to normal this morning. Still smelly, still soft, but if you couldn't feel them or smell them, you'd probably mistake them for normal little rattie raisins. Hopefully they will continue to improve.
 
The past two days I would say the poops have been closer to normal consistency, but still not quite the norm. And they are all reddish in color, sort of rust colored I'd say. He hasn't been eating anything unusual, all the same stuff as my other two boys. Rust colored poo sound off any alarms to anyone?

He's eating pretty well, gobbles up anything I put in front of him. Still bony though, but I *think* he may be gaining. In the past all I've had were big squishes, so I've no experience with putting weight on a critter and don't really know how long it should take. But I know when sick, they can drop a ton of weight in just a few days, so I feel like putting it on should happen relatively quickly as well. But I don't know. He's not neutered. Can that make a difference on their metabolism?

I'm also concerned because it occurred to me that his teeth are dull white (possibly a faint yellow, but to me they seem white-ish.) I have read that a rat with white teeth could have kidney problems because of the lack of red blood cells providing iron to create the orangy/yellow enamel that healthy rats have.

I am going to postpone a vet visit for a bit longer, unless anyone here thinks I should go sooner than next week. We did intros with the new rat and my other two boys yesterday. Some tense moments, but nothing too crazy. My boy Maz is pretty laid back (see: special ed), and after initially freaking out a bit he tolerated this new guy's presence pretty well. The two of them aren't exactly squishing together and becoming bffs, but soon maybe? It took a while for Morrissey to accept him, but towards the end of their play session the three of them were tolerating each other pretty well. New guy's curiosity got the better of him and after 45 minutes of defending the shoebox he had claimed for himself, he spent the last 15 minutes exploring and shuffling around under a blanket with the other two.

Aside from the weight and the shyness, he's doing pretty well. He's very active and has a good appetite. I even got him to brux for me a few times. Instead of cowering in his igloo every time I approach his cage, he comes out and grasps the bars to sniff at me.
 
Are you giving him carrots? That could cause for rust coloured poo even though your other boys don't have it, it all depends on how it goes through their system.
He sounds like he's adjusting. Also, keep in mind that intros could be the cause for soft poops. Stress can really throw off the system.
 
jorats said:
Are you giving him carrots? That could cause for rust coloured poo even though your other boys don't have it, it all depends on how it goes through their system.
He sounds like he's adjusting. Also, keep in mind that intros could be the cause for soft poops. Stress can really throw off the system.

No carrots lately. He had a few nibbles of one on Saturday, but abandoned it in favor of tastier things, and hasn't had any since. Since I'm still obsessing over possible kidney problems, I wondered if maybe in addition to drinking and peeing more, the body also excretes certain wastes in poo that the kidneys won't filter, and maybe an excess of something was making his poo look this color. But that is a hypothesis based on absolutely nothing, as I don't really know much about any of this stuff :?

But like you said, his system may just be way off. More off than I thought.
 
Joanne said:
How's the new kid now?

he's doing fantastic. i just posted about him earlier today, think he may have sprained his foot or something, but otherwise he's great. intros with his new brothers were a bit tense, but in less than 48 hours the three of them became good pals. his stress levels are way down since moving into the same cage with them, and he's not nearly as jumpy as he was at first. no more stinky poo, thank goodness :)
 

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