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RatKat

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Hello,

I am an animal lover, but I never have been overly fond of rats. Hamsters and Bunnies...the cute fuzzies are my thing, alongside dogs, cats, ferrets and other furry critters. I just never really had pet rats growing up.

However I just had an experience that has changed my view on rats, to a more positive and compassionate adoration. About 3 years ago my boyfriend got two male rats-Horis and Lyle. Over this past summer his one rat, Lyle, which was about 3.5-4 years passed away in his sleep. I was saddened because I actually enjoyed playing with Lyle, he never nipped and was calm whenever I went to pick him up. Lyle was a nice white and brown colouring.

My boyfriend's other rat (Horis) was a little less affectionate-and I hesitate to say slightly less attractive. Horis was a solid brown-street rat colouring. Not the most active-and would rather curl up in his bed than socialize.

Two days before Christmas Eve (Wednesday), I was over at my boyfriend's place and one of his family member's mentioned that the rat wasn't looking to well.
So I went to check on the little guy-and his bedding was covered in blood. So I got my boyfriend to pick Horis up to turn him over--- and I was horrified by what I found-between his back leg and tail on his right side (my left when he was turned upside down), was a wound that was covered in disgusting yogurt-like pus. It was approximately the size of a dime.

Unfortunately my boyfriend and I are relatively unexperienced with rats----Horis and Lyle are the only rats he has had and my brother once had a baby rat that he saved from a snake once. However I've had other pets in the past and knew basic first aid stuff.

First we picked up rat shampoo (he was out) and tea tree oil-Horis showed signs of lice.
Second we made a trip to Shoppers and picked up a Saline spray to clean out the wound and keep it from getting badly infected.
Third I grabbed a small cat carrier to keep him in-easier to keep clean and sterile.

Boyfriend had to run to work, so I stayed to clean up the rat-and let me say I am normally calm around animals and have no problem handling them-but I was shaky when it came to Horis. I was afraid he'd bite (not that I would have blamed him, he would have been in pain).

I got a very large bowl and mixed the shampoo with tea tree oil in luke warm water-and then put Horis in the bowl. It was disgusting-all the pus and blood broke away from the body. After the bath he seemed to feel much better. So I was hopeful it was just an abscess. I was able to spray the wound out with Saline solution-thanks to my boyfriend's brother. And learnt very quickly not to apply polysporin for it is tacky and will just cause things to stick to the wound.

I took him home with me for two days-boyfriend had to work and didn't have the time to take care of Horis.

Well I stayed up late researching abscesses and rats, and realized that if he had an abscess we were in the clear---but if Horis had a tumor, the poor guy could be screwed. Tumor removal in Canada is between 250-800. Boyfriend was raised to spend no more than 100 dollars at the vets for small animals....I am a little different.

On the Thursday, I took the rat to my vet-and after spending well over 100 dollars, I found out two things. 1) Horis did have lice-the lovely species specific kind-he got a shot to help him resist them. 2) Horis had a tumor, but because a) he was 2.5-3 years of age, b) had a little bit of a lung issue, and c) was underweight; it would be better for him to be put on antibiotics and fed table scraps. Antibiotics would help heal the wound, and the table scraps would make him fat so he would survive surgery. He had necrotic tissue around the wound...perhaps about an inch....she (the vet) didn't seemed concerned by this.

So we gave him his 0.2 mg of antibiotics twice a day, everyday and cleaned the wound as prescribed-which was just spraying with the Saline solution. He got table scraps, daily bedding changes, and daily baths to help his skin fight lice (vet recommended).

I got over my initial discomfort at touching him, and actually became attached to the little guy, he was fuzzy, friendly and even though I was picking him up when he'd rather be curled in a ball, huddling around his tumor, he never bit me. I bathed him, towel dried, sprayed him with Saline solution-and not one snap. I even got quite good at giving him his oral antibiotics, and spraying the wound by myself. He showed improvements between December 23-29th.

Then on the 29th, he took a turn for the worse. He began chewing off his necrotic tissue,and exposing more of the wound-it went from dime size to the size of a quarter/loonie. That day when i went to give him his morning medicine, I discovered a sight that made my skin crawl. He must have sat in his food dish-the wound was covered in seed-and I had to dig to get half of a sunflower seed out of a deepish recess in the tumour. When I removed the seed, it clearly hurt him and released a horribly rank odour. I cleaned him and his cage up, and by that night he seemed to be feeling better.

The climax of our situation occured on New Years Eve/Day. When we got home from our New Years festivities (which for those of you wondering-did not include alcohol), we immediately went to give him his antibiotics and wound wash. He was curled up in a tighter ball. He snapped at my boyfriend, and it took a while to get him out of the cat crate. At this point his wound was almost two-three inches long and an inch-1.5 inches wide-and covered in seeds. I had to pick them off. The tumor at this point was bubbling outside of him-and growing. He would not take his antibiotics-I could not get his mouth open. His rib cage was protruding-he looked like skin and bones-plus a big tumor. The day before I had seen him. The wound was much smaller-Perhaps the size of a toonie-his tumour was not nearly as aggressive. He also was covered in lice, and dander. His whole body looked in pain-and to keep him alive any longer would have been cruelty.

In our area, the vet hospitals which treat rats were closed, and wouldn't have reopened until Monday. We hated to see him in pain-keeping him going for two more days while he chewed at the wound and the tumor consumed him would have been cruel. So as controversial as this may sound, we used my boyfriends car exhaust to euthanize Horis. We monitored him very closely-he did not suffer, and he passed away in the cat crate, where he was at home. Familiar smells and all.

I admit-I balled my eyes out. I didn't like Horis at first, but in the end he was a tough, gentle and stoic little guy...I just feel guilty for not have been able to do more. Between my inexperience, and the horrible timing of his tumor-I feel quite guilty.


Why am I telling this tale? Well I would like to get advice....any that you may have on how one could prevent this!

1) How can one pack an abscess/prevent food and bedding from sticking to the abscess...and should my vet have known this? I asked and was told just to keep the wound clean.

2) Has anyone had this kind of situation?
 
I'm very sorry for your losses.
It seems to me, your vet may not be all that experienced in rat care. Necrotized skin if not removed continues to worsen. Was he put on antibiotics to help combat the infection? I assume he got a shot of Ivermectin for the lice?

Abscesses are quite common in rats and very typical in the same area but from the sounds of it, it had been there a while. Poor little guy was in pain, was there no pain meds given for him like metacam?
I have heard of twice now where an abscess did not close and pretty much continue to grow and destroy healthy tissue to the point of over taking the bottom part of the body at which point, humane euthanasia was the only option.

If your bf should decide to get more rats, be sure to handle and inspect them every day, keep them on clean bedding, clean the cage every week and find a high quality rat block.
 
Abscessed tumours do happen and they're a sad/scary thing for anyone to deal with.

When dealing with bad abscesses we often tell people to switch beddings to help keep things from getting in there... fabric or paper towel are good choices. The other main step is regular flushings. For keeping food out of there, a big step is to not feed seed mixes, which aren't good for rats to begin with.

One thing I would say is, in future if you guys have rats, don't continue to use that vet or encourage him to update his knowledge. The best way to deal with lice on rats is Revolution, the other option is giving Ivermectin orally.

Another question is, where are you located roughly? Most e-vets will see rats if only to put them to sleep and can euthanize properly if giving guidance on how to do so. But I know many do not and I don't blame you guys for taking the final steps that you did, especially considering the date this all took place. If your vet had given you pain medication (which he probably should have considering the size of the abscess opening) you could have kept him comfortable a bit longer and been able to get him back to a vet.

I think you took good steps considering the limited information you had at the time, and you guys fought hard on Horis' behalf... a lot harder than a lot of other people would have.

I'm sorry to welcome you to the forum under such crummy circumstances, but Welcome to the Forum all the same :)
 
jorats said:
Abscesses are quite common in rats and very typical in the same area but from the sounds of it, it had been there a while. Poor little guy was in pain, was there no pain meds given for him like metacam?
I have heard of twice now where an abscess did not close and pretty much continue to grow and destroy healthy tissue to the point of over taking the bottom part of the body at which point, humane euthanasia was the only option.
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THe vet didn't even offer pain medication. I asked if he was in pain, and she figured that since it was a mass and not tissue, it would not be in pain if it was exposed....I thought this sounded like a crack pot notion. But she is the vet...

He only got Sulfa-Trimethoprim for an antibiotic.
 
Unfortunately some old school rats think vets don't feel pain acutely since they can be very stoic and tend to hide it well.
 
When dealing with bad abscesses we often tell people to switch beddings to help keep things from getting in there... fabric or paper towel are good choices. The other main step is regular flushings. For keeping food out of there, a big step is to not feed seed mixes, which aren't good for rats to begin with.

One thing I would say is, in future if you guys have rats, don't continue to use that vet or encourage him to update his knowledge. The best way to deal with lice on rats is Revolution, the other option is giving Ivermectin orally.

Another question is, where are you located roughly? Most e-vets will see rats if only to put them to sleep and can euthanize properly if giving guidance on how to do so. But I know many do not and I don't blame you guys for taking the final steps that you did, especially considering the date this all took place. If your vet had given you pain medication (which he probably should have considering the size of the abscess opening) you could have kept him comfortable a bit longer and been able to get him back to a vet.

I think you took good steps considering the limited information you had at the time, and you guys fought hard on Horis' behalf... a lot harder than a lot of other people would have.

Ya. We won't be using that vet again. The only reason was because they were the best available for the timing. She did use Revolution Mauve though for the lice, and give us Sulfa-Trimethoprim. She never mentionned pain medication.

We did switch to paper towels after the 29th-because lets face it, manually removing sunflower seeds could never be pleasant. But the reason we didn't switch completely to high protein table scraps, was because Horis loved sunflower seeds to the point where it was almost the only thing he would eat sometimes.

We are located nearby Hamilton, ON. I had checked with local evets a few days earlier to try and get appointments and everyone of them had unfortunately stated they would be closed New Years Eve and Day :(

Had he not have been in pain and the wound was not taken over by the tumor...he had an appointment to see Dr Munn in Toronto the following week-earliest date available.
 
Moon said:
Unfortunately some old school rats think vets don't feel pain acutely since they can be very stoic and tend to hide it well.


That's just awful. As is the whole vetrinarian system. With the exception of a few vets-my vet in Simcoe is great with my dogs and cats, but unfortunately does not treat rats:( He provides great service and doesn't charge what Hamilton vets do. My friend took their dog there to have a tumor removed. For the same operation and treatment one in Hamilton wanted to charge her 1500 dollars. Simcoe vet charged her 300. Her dog is now healing well.

When do these vets become so distant from the pet owning community that they figure making their services out of reach for the average income, is in the best interest for animals. I always take my pets to the vets...unless circumstances come up...but it's sad when you literally have to shop around to afford it.

This whole situation is really discouraging. I mean now I have compassion for rats, but I'm discouraged from ever getting one based on the some figures being estimated that 1 in every 3 rats will develop a tumor.
 
Everyone is covering pretty much everything I would say but I want to add that once a tumor has abscessed like that your only chance at saving a rat is to have it removed surgically which can cost. Once a tumor has ruptured and they are sick and infected you have to have them pts. I would advise not letting it go that far next time that you even have to consider home euth.

With abscesses we tell people to not use polysporin or any healing ointments since it can cause the abscess to heal over at the surface and trap more pus/bacteria underneath which means it could come back. We try to get abscesses to heal from the bottom up.

I wish it had been a week ago and you had been able to see Dr Munn, he really is a very good vet and he really believes in pain meds. There is a very good vet in Kitchener called Dr Gerald you might want to consider next time.

I also wish you had posted before he died, that way we could've told you about infant medications you could've bought to manage his pain.

But rats are a learn on the job training so you have had to learn a lot in a very short while.
 
Incredible story. Sad, yes; but, the care you took in taking care of Horis was amazing! I think you did a fabulous job...
I wouldn't hesitate to get more rats. They are lovely pets.
We have 9 now, and are learning as we go. Incredible animals! And, this forum is wonderful!!
Welcome... hope you stick around and tell us about some new rats you've adopted. :D
 
Let me just say, that the trouble and heart that you put into trying to help your little Horis was wonderful, considering your lack of information/proper vet info. I would also like to point out that we have the best forum around and wanted to thank everyone who has responded to her on this post with such positivity and advice. You are all amazing and although it's under these term...Welcome to the shack RatKat. <3 *big hugs your way sweetie*
 
Oh my! That's a really sad story and i'm so sorry for you and him! :(
I gotta say you were really strong willed, i don't think i would have been able to deal with the problem like you did.
I would have cried everytime i clean the wounds and such. :sad3:

My boyfriend always tells me that no matter what happens to our babies they had a nice life and were saved from being snake food and were always taken care of.
And that's what matters the most. :wink2:
 
Thanks everyone so much for your advice and understanding! It's been a learning experience for sure! I think this forum is amazing, and necessary.

One day I probably will adopt a little guy-but right now I don't know enough about rats to justify saving one. White marks, and tumours, and other diseases/illnesses that I've never heard of have scared me off of rats for a while. Until I get the image of picking a sunflower seeds out of a tumour, I am not willing to save a little guy. Although I must admit is hard to not save rats who are on kijiji labelled: 10 rat pups $1.25 each....you know where they will end up :(
 
You don't have to save a "needy" rat, you could adopt from a rescue! Most rescues will ensure that the rats are 100% healthy and happy before adopting out.
 
I don't blame you for being "scared" off of rats for a while. They can be a daunting pet to own if you're not mentally, emotionally and financially prepared. Many, many owners have to take breaks from the heartache that they often leave us with, but the joys outweigh the sorrows completely and it's hard to stay away for too long ;)
 
My heart so goes out to you and your BF, you sound like wonderful parents! You went thru a lot of worry & pain, I know the horror you go thru when you have to put your baby to sleep for their sake but don't know how to do it most gently & kindly, I've been there. It took a lot of guts and a lot of love to take that action rather than just leaving him to suffer. Horis obviously knew that you were trying to help him all thru his difficulties. It's a funny thing with ratties, my least affectionate ones always seem to show trust (& sometimes even mush, lol) with me when they are at their end. I believe they're saying "Thankyou for letting me be me, I always loved you for that, and I'm grateful to you"
I'm sorry for your loss(es).

(Whenever you see a bump or a definite abcess the best thing to do is warm compresses a couple times a dayto bring the yucch to the surface)
 

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